Coronavirus (2021) thread

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kevin horlocks wand said:
yes, I can still get it but hopefully if what they claim it should keep me out of hospital
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It's still a very complex situation, and that's not the most important picture (other than to you obviously).

You can obviously still catch it, but it will keep you from hospital (hopefully), but you can still spread it to people who aren't vaccinated, and it's entirely possible you could catch it now, and not even know, so wouldn't be isolating either.

My dad was double vaccinated in early Jan, is he still safe from catching it (along with thousands of others who were vulnerable, and are now double jabbed, but the effect might be running out again) ?

We don't know the answer to these questions, and there is the other problem, you could catch it and pass it on to someone who's immunity is getting lower, who you might be close to.

We should all still be cautious, until (much) more information is available, especially when cases have effectively doubled in a little over 7 days.
 
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Find it really interesting that Delta isn't yet showing signs of spread throughout much of Europe. I know we sequence more than the rest, but cases are still on the decline throughout much of mainland Europe when you'd maybe expect some signs by now that Delta is beginning to take hold. Not that I'd want it to, just interested in the reasons why it's not (yet).
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Only Denmark does sufficient genome testing to know so it could be taking over in areas without the authorities knowing.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Only Denmark does sufficient genome testing to know so it could be taking over in areas without the authorities knowing.
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No, I realise that, but I mean from the testing which Denmark are doing, it's pretty steady. And elsewhere, in terms of raw case numbers themselves.

Seems like ages since the UK's low figures began to plateau and have been rising again for a couple of weeks, elsewhere are still on a downward trend, so regardless of sequencing, the daily case numbers are not acting as you'd maybe think they would at this stage.
 
UK patients went back over 1000 today by the way for first time in couple of weeks. Given the rise in Scotland atop the one in England. There are only 38 in hospital in Wales and N Ireland combined but 982 in England and Scotland so in total 1020.

Ventilators also well up to 148 - 133 of them in England (and 45 of those in the NW). With 0 N Irelnd, 3 in Wales and 12 in Scotland.

So three times the number in N Ireland, Scotland and Wales just in North West hospitals.
 
Healdplace said:
UK patients went back over 1000 today by the way for first time in couple of weeks. Given the rise in Scotland atop the one in England. There are only 38 in hospital in Wales and N Ireland combined but 982 in England and Scotland so in total 1020.

Ventilators also well up to 148 - 133 of them in England (and 45 of those in the NW). With 0 N Irelnd, 3 in Wales and 12 in Scotland.

So three times the number in N Ireland, Scotland and Wales just in North West hospitals.
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only 3 fully vaccinated thoughout the UK though so if people can't be arsed getting a jab then I can't be arsed worrying about them
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
Really shitty attitude given the lack of single dosed, let alone double dosed, people given the snail pace rollout.
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not really is it, I've done my bit by staying in for 18 months but there's a few million who won't do their bit for the rest of the population. These people have been eligible for a vaccine for weeks now what's their excuse.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
not really is it, I've done my bit by staying in for 18 months but there's a few million who won't do their bit for the rest of the population. These people have been eligible for a vaccine for weeks now what's their excuse.
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27.9m people in the U.K. have had both doses of the vaccine.

Around 40%.

You‘re spouting nonsense again.
 
anyway, went to book and it doesn't tell me I'm being offered Pfizer/Moderna so I'll wait till I get something official to tell me that's what I'm getting. I'm not booking an appointment blind to which one I'm getting.
 
If he means, of late, he might have a point. We bet everything on the first few months, which made sense, given the state we were in back at the start of the year. We raced to 30m by Mar 31, but have barely added 10m since then. France, Germany, Italy, Spain and others are going to catch us up within a month at the current rate.

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Looks good for them right now as they've seen off their second/third wave and should have high communal levels of natural immunity, which might help more with suppressing Delta than vaccines.

We, on the other hand, are looking at a big fucking challenge in the second half of the year.

One of the first computer games I ever played was this:



In this clip, the early leader wins. But if you play it more than once, you know there's no way you'd take that for granted.

That's what's happening here. People naturally got on a bit of a high after the uncertainty as Brexit dragged on, and the utter human and social disaster of January and February. We raced ahead of Europe in 'the vaccine race', deaths dropped off quickly. That's what you call a salient psychological moment. The high point, the relief, after the massive worry and loss. It sticks in people's minds. And it looked like we had done better than Europe. Felt pretty smug and grateful. Even safe, when many of us got our first jabs sooner than expected.

But this 'race' isn't over, not by a long straight. All we did was get out of a hole we dug ourselves, and 'took the lead', on the back of taking AZ's early supply.

Now we'll need to see if AZ holds up against Delta, complete what vaccinations remain, then get a booster. Then start all over again for the winter. And hope we don't discover that we brought Beta back from Europe and seeded it on the quiet.

The dynamics are really going to be very complicated and I wouldn't make any predictions.

But right now, the clouds are parting for Europe, whilst the forecast for the UK is as unpredictable as our summers usually are. Not that Europe can't fuck this up big time, yet again. Just that we have not even come close to finishing the race by 'winning' the first round of vaccinations.
 

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