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Does anyone understand what all the fuss is about regarding the import of chilled meats into NI from GB?
As I understand it we (the UK) signed an agreement (the NI protocol) with the EU one condition of which was that chilled meats from GB to NI would have to be frozen.
Seems straightforward.
The deal was hailed as a great success, was described as 'oven ready' and was passed by Parliament.
So what's the problem?
 
Arlene doing one last job for Boris.

Slags off the EU on her final speech and supports breaking international law over the protocol.

Couple that with resigning as first minister. A contentious pick as her replacement and only 7 days to agree both first and deputy. This time next week they'll be preparing for elections.
 
It mustn't be forgotten btw that if he breaks International Law he also breaks UK law and someone can challenge this (The Good Law Project?) and take them to the UK court. Once found to have broken the law the courts will insist on action and failure to do so is to run the risk of a huge fine and/or imprisonment.

Remember late 2019 he said that he was not going to apply for an extension to the implementation period - he was all over it - then quietly applied because not to do so would have been contempt of court
 
bluethrunthru said:
UK Farming - looks like its overrated

www.bbc.co.uk

Australia trade deal will not hit UK farmers, says Liz Truss

The trade secretary denies Australian beef imports will flood the UK and says export markets will grow.
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'Farmers in Australia are allowed to use some hormone growth promoters, pesticides, and feed additives that are banned in the UK.' That is a good read.

And this is one of the reasons why the EU are playing hard ball. Without the checks in the Irish Sea there will be nothing stopping this lot ending up in Europe.

Not that we should be accepting meat like this either but we are desperate to sign anything.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
'Farmers in Australia are allowed to use some hormone growth promoters, pesticides, and feed additives that are banned in the UK.' That is a good read.

And this is one of the reasons why the EU are playing hard ball. Without the checks in the Irish Sea there will be nothing stopping this lot ending up in Europe.

Not that we should be accepting meat like this either but we are desperate to sign anything.
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Don't worry the toffs won't be eating Australian meat. It's only for the plebs.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
'Farmers in Australia are allowed to use some hormone growth promoters, pesticides, and feed additives that are banned in the UK.' That is a good read.

And this is one of the reasons why the EU are playing hard ball. Without the checks in the Irish Sea there will be nothing stopping this lot ending up in Europe.

Not that we should be accepting meat like this either but we are desperate to sign anything.
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Absolutely massive deal possibly worth up to 0.02% of GDP (excluding farmers of course).
Massive.
PS It's not actually a deal yet it's just an 'agreement in broad terms' , so it's just another announcement about the same thing presumably to deflect attention away from the delay of freedom day by another four weeks and the disastrous G7 summit.
 
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Gove:
"Most Aussie meat goes to Asia, so very little will come here."
This is presumably going to continue to be the case forever, and suddenly having access to the UK market won't change things?

"We have high quality meat produced here so there will be options to sell it abroad."
Presumably there will be a huge market for more expensive meat?
 
Len Rum said:
Does anyone understand what all the fuss is about regarding the import of chilled meats into NI from GB?
As I understand it we (the UK) signed an agreement (the NI protocol) with the EU one condition of which was that chilled meats from GB to NI would have to be frozen.
Seems straightforward.
The deal was hailed as a great success, was described as 'oven ready' and was passed by Parliament.
So what's the problem?
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The issue is that the UK wants to continue to provide raw chilled meat to NI as part of the UK. There is no suggestion that these products are destined for the EU market.

That the EU is taking a overly bureaucratic approach should surprise no one; however as was once said of the British, they are the most compliant set of people however push them too far and they will bite back over the most mundane of things.

If no agreement is reached the UK will seemingly react by extending the current rules, thus providing more time to reach a pragmatic solution. Should the EU reject that approach and seek legal recourse it would demonstrate a lack of good faith on their side IMHO - NI has to be seen as a special case.
 
metalblue said:
The issue is that the UK wants to continue to provide raw chilled meat to NI as part of the UK. There is no suggestion that these products are destined for the EU market.

That the EU is taking a overly bureaucratic approach should surprise no one; however as was once said of the British, they are the most compliant set of people however push them too far and they will bite back over the most mundane of things.

If no agreement is reached the UK will seemingly react by extending the current rules, thus providing more time to reach a pragmatic solution. Should the EU reject that approach and seek legal recourse it would demonstrate a lack of good faith on their side IMHO - NI has to be seen as a special case.
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You must write Boris’ speeches. Total and utter bullshit. ‘Overly bureaucratic’? You mean sticking to the rules as laid out in the deal? ‘No suggestion that these products are destined for the EU market’? But that is where they may end up with no border controls between North and South. Are you being serious or are you a WUM?
 
bluethrunthru said:
It mustn't be forgotten btw that if he breaks International Law he also breaks UK law and someone can challenge this (The Good Law Project?) and take them to the UK court. Once found to have broken the law the courts will insist on action and failure to do so is to run the risk of a huge fine and/or imprisonment.

Remember late 2019 he said that he was not going to apply for an extension to the implementation period - he was all over it - then quietly applied because not to do so would have been contempt of court
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It’s highly unlikely he will be found guilty of breaking UK law as two laws will be brought into direct conflict and the question of harm would have to be considered. He should be on safe ground here as it can be demonstrated that following one “harms” and following the other “maintains the status quo and harms no one”.

Of course the UK will be found to breach EU law but quite frankly, in this case, we seemingly have little choice
 
metalblue said:
The issue is that the UK wants to continue to provide raw chilled meat to NI as part of the UK. There is no suggestion that these products are destined for the EU market.

That the EU is taking a overly bureaucratic approach should surprise no one; however as was once said of the British, they are the most compliant set of people however push them too far and they will bite back over the most mundane of things.

If no agreement is reached the UK will seemingly react by extending the current rules, thus providing more time to reach a pragmatic solution. Should the EU reject that approach and seek legal recourse it would demonstrate a lack of good faith on their side IMHO - NI has to be seen as a special case.
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An agreement was reached, and was hailed a great success on Christmas Eve iirc including by many of the Brexiteers on here. Those that suggested it was the start of years of renegotiation were laughed at. All these difficulties we are now having are what Brexit is all about. We just need to suck it up and get on with it rather than whining that the EU are going along with what was agreed.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
You must write Boris’ speeches. Total and utter bullshit. ‘Overly bureaucratic’? You mean sticking to the rules as laid out in the deal? ‘No suggestion that these products are destined for the EU market’? But that is where they may end up with no border controls between North and South. Are you being serious or are you a WUM?
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Again….NI is a special case. I fully agree the EU should enforce product rules for product going into the EU.

You can go on about whataboutery all you like, the UK have made it clear the products are for consumption in NI only.

We have the concept in this country of innocent before being proven guilty; you seem to be suggestion NI residents and business are intent on flouting EU law with zero evidence to back this up. Well done, what sentence do you wish to pass down your honour?
 
west didsblue said:
An agreement was reached, and was hailed a great success on Christmas Eve iirc including by many of the Brexiteers on here. Those that suggested it was the start of years of renegotiation were laughed at. All these difficulties we are now having are what Brexit is all about. We just need to suck it up and get on with it rather than whining that the EU are going along with what was agreed.
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The NI protocol is a special case. This isn’t like not being able to sell shellfish into the EU. There is a real risk NI will descend back into sustained and bloody violence; “just suck it up” really doesn’t quite cover it
 
metalblue said:
The issue is that the UK wants to continue to provide raw chilled meat to NI as part of the UK. There is no suggestion that these products are destined for the EU market.

That the EU is taking a overly bureaucratic approach should surprise no one; however as was once said of the British, they are the most compliant set of people however push them too far and they will bite back over the most mundane of things.

If no agreement is reached the UK will seemingly react by extending the current rules, thus providing more time to reach a pragmatic solution. Should the EU reject that approach and seek legal recourse it would demonstrate a lack of good faith on their side IMHO - NI has to be seen as a special case.
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The e.u are being "overly bureaucratic" I agree,and a sensible solution should be possible.

The biggest issue now is the e.u's complete lack of trust in the u.k government.
Understandable due to having a known liar as prime minister.After all,the lies have been flowing since 2016.
 
metalblue said:
The NI protocol is a special case. This isn’t like not being able to sell shellfish into the EU. There is a real risk NI will descend back into sustained and bloody violence; “just suck it up” really doesn’t quite cover it
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No shit.
Perhaps Johnson should have thought of that before doing a deal that his predecessor said “no British PM could ever sign up to”.
The only alternatives are to bring back the backstop or rejoin the CU and SM. No one can say they weren’t warned.
 
lust overlord said:
The e.u are being "overly bureaucratic" I agree,and a sensible solution should be possible.

The biggest issue now is the e.u's complete lack of trust in the u.k government.
Understandable due to having a known liar as prime minister.After all,the lies have been flowing since 2016.
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A sensible solution isn’t possible as long as we have the Irish Sea border. Chilled meat is just the tip of the iceberg of problems that Johnson signed up to in order to appease the ERG arseholes pulling the Brexit strings.
 
metalblue said:
Again….NI is a special case. I fully agree the EU should enforce product rules for product going into the EU.

You can go on about whataboutery all you like, the UK have made it clear the products are for consumption in NI only.

We have the concept in this country of innocent before being proven guilty; you seem to be suggestion NI residents and business are intent on flouting EU law with zero evidence to back this up. Well done, what sentence do you wish to pass down your honour?
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Or alternatively do what some Supermarkets in NI are doing already and that is source from Ireland, North and the Republic. Supply chains are configuring to an all Ireland basis irrespective of periods. Businesses like to operate on the basis of certainty.

The UK will ban chilled meats from the EU in October, so sausages from the Republic of Ireland will no longer be available here. Lovely thing trade barriers, they are a win for everyone.

Brexit, disrupter of trade, strife with our closest neighbours and a red tape growth industry. You must be delighted with the results.
 
metalblue said:
The NI protocol is a special case. This isn’t like not being able to sell shellfish into the EU. There is a real risk NI will descend back into sustained and bloody violence; “just suck it up” really doesn’t quite cover it
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Then I would recommend that the Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland stop increasing tensions and work to find solutions. Note: A solution is not one where you agree to something, pretend you didn’t know what it meant, lie about it and then get outraged when 27 European countries and the USA think agreements signed in good faith should be honoured.

As for NI getting dragged back into violence. Well, this entire mess is due to Brexit. It‘s what you voted for; the people of NI are paying the price for the voting decisions of the English. Note: The people of NI voted for the stability and peace they secured in 1998.

Congratulations.
 
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