Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Yeah, certainly seems to have way moved on from the original fever and persistent cough.

Two things to take from this, how many people aren't getting tested because they think they are only suffering from hay-fever? And to somewhat offset this how many people are only getting tested in the first place because of hay-fever like symptoms when they usually wouldn't bother?

It's bizarre how the symptoms completely change, I'm not clued up enough to know how all the variants which have been prominent in the UK up until now have had similar symptoms but this one completely different.
The symptoms have probably NOT changed. It is all but certain lots of people under 30 caught Covid in the first few months of 2020 but because their symptoms were not the catastrophic ones reported in the media and they were also not old and kept being told older people were most at risk. And because we were still coming out of Winter they often presumed they did not have Covid and it was just a cold. And when it fizzled out after a few days or a week why would they not?

Now almost nobody over 60 is catching it (4% of all cases versus the majority being identified last year when resources HAD to be focused on the most at risk because we had so little of them to do otherwise and could not just treat all as if they had the disease - then this exaggerated what were already the higher numbers into what looked like the big majority).

As we focused vaccines rightly on these people as soon as we had them they became less and less vulnerable and in time after both doses largely protected so numbers plummeted to the 4% we see now who are either just unlucky, have chosen to say no to vaccines or have other underlying health issues that exacerbate Covid that are always going to be more likely to occur with increasing age.

So now we have up to 80% of cases coming in younger people - the ones who last year never even reported it because it felt just like a bad cold.

Now in order to identify them, minimise the spread to their peers as these people are far more likely to mix daily with lots of others, then we have had to tone down the symptoms to what might indicate Covid in this cohort and so we can get them to test even if they do not feel ill enough to bother. As the SPREAD is the problem now.

It may also even be true that the vaccinated older people only get milder symptoms too thanks to the vaccine and may not assume they have Covid either because it is not so bad and they have been jabbed. But knowing they have still matters so they can isolate.

20,000 people catching Covid a year ago was a huge deal as many of them would be vulnerable and get very ill and there was zero protection to offer or few real treatments and so many had to be hospitalised and often stayed there weeks. And we still had only limited things we could do afterward with no vaccines.

20,000 people catching Covid now is far less of a danger because of all these factors having changed dramatically,

We still seek to minimise spread as whilst only a much smaller fraction of under 30s will get sick enough to go into hospital and or get really ill and die - some will. And a smaller fraction of a rising number still means a rising number. Just not to the heights we saw in the past or to a community at quite so great a risk of death or long term care. Though even here again some sadly will.

The percentage of people under 40 dying from Covid - even teenagers - is small but because a lot less older people are catching it is significantly higher as a fraction now than it was in past waves.

So this is all about mitigation so we can edge back to normality and as long a those catching Covid now do the right thing we will be fine. But they need to know what they might not think is Covid COULD be this disease.

Hence why the symptoms seem to have changed in the briefing. When in truth they have not really. They are just the ones we tended to let be in the past when there were too many other worse ones to tackle first.
 
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Yeah, certainly seems to have way moved on from the original fever and persistent cough.

Two things to take from this, how many people aren't getting tested because they think they are only suffering from hay-fever? And to somewhat offset this how many people are only getting tested in the first place because of hay-fever like symptoms when they usually wouldn't bother?

It's bizarre how the symptoms completely change, I'm not clued up enough to know how all the variants which have been prominent in the UK up until now have had similar symptoms but this one completely different.
I ended up having an argument this morning with my missus and daughter about this, lol.

I don’t suffer from hay fever but do from general allergies so often have a sneezing session and/or snotty nose and itchy eyes. Now normally never in a million years would I think it could be covid and I’d best do a test, and therefore unless I had further symptoms of feeling generally unwell then I won’t be rushing to do a test.
 
Zoe App data

Predicted cases up 847 (a rise of 100 or so in day) to to 21, 442

Ongoing symptomatic cases up 8213 (slightly less than yesyerday) to 267, 279



Scotland now so bad they have had to create a new Maroon band to put them in. Ramge 298 - 1679 Pop Scores. 1679 is 4 times where Manchester is or Bolton ever reached.

North West still the only region in the next darkest red watch zone. Ranging 434 - 855. North West up a little from 420 / 825

Two of the three regions in the band immediately below are rising

London on 270 / 547 now 280 / 556

Midlands 176 / 568 now 187 / 579

But South West has fallen slightly from 214 / 503 to now 208 / 489

Every other England region is in the lowest light pink watch zone.

Only Northern Ireland is still white and no watch zone rating there.




In the North West Liverpool at 24, 060 - up from 20, 823 leads the way in the UK now.

Yesterday the government announced the Liverpool test events like the rave had had no impact and so were successful.

But I do wonder how going from nowhere to the worst in the region in the 2 weeks since in Zoe numbers is assuredly disregarded as unrelated.


In GM Manchester is no longer top and fallen to 13, 445 from 16, 630.

This means Salford just overtakes it up quite a bit on 13, 611 from 12, 377

with Bolton rather unexpectedly still going up to 12, 968 - from 12, 681 - which is hopefully not matched in cases as it has not so far - Bolton steadily falling there for 2 or 3 weeks.

Zoe can be ahead of the curve or as it is based on symptoms reported by individuals and to a degree a guesstimate can just get it wrong. Though it usually is righter than it is wronger!

Other GM numbers :- Oldham 12, 655 - a 2000 rise in day, Trafford falls to 9790 from 10, 120,

Bury also down to 8299 from 9322, Tameside falls a lot to 6934 from 8633, but Wigan rises to 6048 from 5515

The two lowest in GM are

Stockport still edging up sadly on 3632 from 3273 and by far the best and only GM borough in the lowest tier watch zone is Rochdale falling to 1623 from 2588


In Scotland it is alarming how far it has spread. Glasgow City on 18, 608 looks the worst but it is hard to find anywhere not in a shade of pink or red.

In North Wales the counties there are all in a shade of some hue - though Conwy which was worst has fallen to lowest with Gwynedd added and rising.

Cheshire West and Chester bordering is in darker pink now climbing steadily in past week to 5538

Leeds at 9286 is the worst in Yorkshire


As for down south almost everywhere now is pink as the variant spreads like topsy.

Numerous London boroughs now up around 5000 or 6000 and so are seaside places and well eveywhere really is 2000/3000 or so up.
 
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Scotland data:

3 deaths - was 2 last week

2836 cases - was 1209 last week - They are still investigating the lab testing issue that created low numbers yesterday so unclear if the above includes any add on from there.

8.9% positivity - was 4.5% last week. This is one of the most worrying stats as it escalates fast.

197 patients - up 9 in day and up 69 from last week - a 50% increase in cases AND patients week to week.

18 Ventilated Icu - up 2 on day - was 12 last week. again a 50% rise


Scotland sadly is getting hit pretty badly right now.
 
No Welsh data or England hospital numbers on Saturday as you might recall.

But Northern Ireland data:

0 deaths - was 0 last week

298 cases - was 158 last week

So even here is doubling now which suggests Delta has crossed the Irish Sea in rising numbers unfortunately.
 
UK delta variant cases rise in past week by 46%

Total cases in week was 35, 204

514 people were hospitalised from that number

304 of them had had no vaccination.

The new variant - Lambda - now rife in Sourth America and 'under investigation' for its properties has rezched Britain.

6 cases have been identified - ALL linked to foreign travel.
 
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I have officially got long Covid. Fuck knows what that means. At Wythenshawe for a scan next week. It honestly knocked me for six.
 
I still find it a little disappointing that people are creating a false dichotomy between 'this year vaccinated = hardly any deaths = protected = end of COVID measures" against "last year's numbers". I understand people are tired and frustrated, but it appears to me a lot of this is people making more out of the issue of the controls that remain, allowing their ire at the principle of the matter to bother them more now than ever, despite things opening up massively. I will say tho, if you were locked down in Manchester all of last year whilst the rest of the country went back to normal, I can only say I think your anger, cynicism, impatience and frustration is inevitable and understandable to me.

But I do worry we allow frustration to get the better of us when looking at the big picture. It's still a dreadful public health issue, even if no-one dies. 1m Brits reported covid symptoms lasting more than 12 weeks. It seems early to understand if vaccines are going to help protect people in this way - many many long COVID sufferers were not hospital cases. Earlier in the year, there were 300k recorded long covid cases - which doesn't tell us the severity of their problem, let alone give us the long term prognosis. Aside from the personal cost to them - how many will be off work and on UC? How many will require expensive long lasting therapies?
 
But these have just had a load of unexpected A&E cases nothing to do with covid
A report on 5live on thurs (i think) that hospitals are getting very high A&E cases , specially with children. A doc from bristol wondered if its because children havent been exposed as normal(due to being locked down) so immune systems weaker than usual.
the doc implored people to not flood A&E and help the NHs By using the phone lines etc.

but if it suits the covid fetishists to crack on its due to C19 then leave them to it
 
Scotland data:

3 deaths - was 2 last week

2836 cases - was 1209 last week - They are still investigating the lab testing issue that created low numbers yesterday so unclear if the above includes any add on from there.

8.9% positivity - was 4.5% last week. This is one of the most worrying stats as it escalates fast.

197 patients - up 9 in day and up 69 from last week - a 50% increase in cases AND patients week to week.

18 Ventilated Icu - up 2 on day - was 12 last week. again a 50% rise


Scotland sadly is getting hit pretty badly right now.

These are concerning figures, those hospital numbers starting to really creep up and up now.


Of the 2836 cases

77 are in people aged 65+, highest for some time.

442 in aged 45-64

1042 aged 25-44
1259 aged 0-24

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3 deaths

2 aged 75-84
1 aged 65-74

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20k first doses
19.5k second doses

A welcome slight rise in vaccinations and the most since 17th June.
 
Scotland data:

3 deaths - was 2 last week

2836 cases - was 1209 last week - They are still investigating the lab testing issue that created low numbers yesterday so unclear if the above includes any add on from there.

8.9% positivity - was 4.5% last week. This is one of the most worrying stats as it escalates fast.

197 patients - up 9 in day and up 69 from last week - a 50% increase in cases AND patients week to week.

18 Ventilated Icu - up 2 on day - was 12 last week. again a 50% rise


Scotland sadly is getting hit pretty badly right now.
Wasn’t that long ago that many people were praising wee Jimmy for the wonderful job she was doing in comparison to Boris. Wonder if there will be a directive for people in England to not travel to Scotland, announcement can be made by Burnham
 
Just what does he need to do to get fired?

BBC story -

In May last year, epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson resigned from the government's scientific advisory group (SAGE) after it emerged he had broken lockdown rules when a woman he was reportedly in a relationship with visited his home.

At the time Mr Hancock called these actions "extraordinary", adding that social distancing rules were "there for everyone" and "deadly serious".
He’ll probably need to shag Boris’s wife to get the bullet
 
UK delta variant cases rise in past week by 46%

Total cases in week was 35, 204

514 people were hospitalised from that number

304 of them had had no vaccination.

The new variant - Lambda - now rife in Sourth America and 'under investigation' for its properties has rezched Britain.

6 cases have been identified - ALL linked to foreign travel.
Shouldn’t that be the Lambada variant? ;)
 
Wasn’t that long ago that many people were praising wee Jimmy for the wonderful job she was doing in comparison to Boris. Wonder if there will be a directive for people in England to not travel to Scotland, announcement can be made by Burnham

She's been praised for clarity and transparency above anything else, which is fair in comparison to some others... Sadly Delta was allowed into the UK which she could do little to prevent given borders are a UK issue and here we are now. Also Scotland likely paying the price for having considerably lower antibody levels than elsewhere in the UK.

It doesn't make her beyond criticism though, and as Healdplace has commented on her remarks about not travelling to Bolton of all places seems strange given their cases are less to worry about than elsewhere in the same region. Like the UK government it seems to be based on data which is quite old. Its strange that we are able to paint a picture from Healdplace' daily numbers but the UK/Scot gov seem incapable of keeping up to date in doing so.
 
A report on 5live on thurs (i think) that hospitals are getting very high A&E cases , specially with children. A doc from bristol wondered if its because children havent been exposed as normal(due to being locked down) so immune systems weaker than usual.
the doc implored people to not flood A&E and help the NHs By using the phone lines etc.

but if it suits the covid fetishists to crack on its due to C19 then leave them to it
They’re probably going to A & E cos they can’t get a GP to see them.
 
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