Coronavirus (2021) thread

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artfuldodger said:

Consultation launched on closing face-to-face customer services

Bosses in Tameside are consulting on whether to close their drop in face-to-face customer services for good at the new multi-million pound council HQ.
www.questmedianetwork.co.uk www.questmedianetwork.co.uk

This is the sort of thing that worries me post Covid. Whether some public services will never go back to 'normal'
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COVID is the kind of upheaval that I think will cause many, many things to change forever. But impossible to predict what and how.
 
blueparrot said:
Don’t think so think if they get over 75% of all age ranges done and over 85% of the first 9 groups thats fine, and I think we will.
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We are at 81% of all adults in England having a first jab, it's nearly 90% in Wales

The chart above has been updated to reflect ONS population estimates

 
Healdplace said:
It is pointless seeking who to blame over all this. You only have to look at the different way Europe is reacting to see there is no actual right or wrong path.

Places like Germany want to be ultra cautious and ban all Brits from going there without strict restrictions even if double vaccinated in a desperate attempt to stop Delta taking over. Given how they are surrounded by other countries with land borders that likely will get it they face a long fight to get there and Britain will soon not be their main concern. Indeed cases will be falling here thanks to our higher vaccination numbers.

Whereas the holiday nations that need Brits now not 3 months from now to save some of the Summer will use vaccine passports to compromise and risk Delta getting in.

Right or wrong is not where we are. Finding a path that balances risk and reward is for everyone now.
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Germany has an average cases per 1 million count the last seven days of 52 cases - the UK 1506.

53.6 are vaccinated with the first shot, 35.6 % are fully vaccinated

Right now the delta variant is still spread very low in Germany. It will come to us, but the German interest is to stop that process as long as possible until more people have their vaccinations. (Daily rate of vaccinations is about 1 million). That is why there is a 14 day quarantine even for fully vaccinated people and without nearly no exception for people that come (back) from virusvariant areas - not just from England, but now e.g. Portugal, too.

Global dates about vaccinations: https://pandemicend.info/ (the numbers I had from Germany were from another source)
 
I'm hearing of loads of people catching it in the last few days. I suspect most are finding out by self testing and not putting it in the system which would suggest the current reported cases are the tip of the iceberg. On the plus side I'm not hearing of anyone being particularly ill because it's mostly young people who've had one jab.
 
west didsblue said:
I'm hearing of loads of people catching it in the last few days. I suspect most are finding out by self testing and not putting it in the system which would suggest the current reported cases are the tip of the iceberg. On the plus side I'm not hearing of anyone being particularly ill because it's mostly young people who've had one jab.
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We had to isolate a few weeks back due to exposure, the Dad of the family, 51 and double jabbed got what he classed as the worst flu/cold of his life. thought it was borderline on having to call an ambulance.


thankfully neither of us got it ( or had symptoms at least )
 
Case numbers continuing that exponential rise, maybe a bit faster even.

Vaccinations now averaging 350k and falling; 175k completely vaxxed if two doses required.

Cases at 20kish reported, guess 60k in reality. Plus cases only hit the susceptible population.

Another fortnight on current trends and there could be as many people becoming immune through infection as vaccination.

Hard to imagine we won't see signs of growth starting to ease over that time, otherwise it could go properly tits up.

And 60k at Wembley, 140k at Silverstone a really bad idea if we don't see some signs of improvement soon.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Case numbers continuing that exponential rise, maybe a bit faster even.

Vaccinations now averaging 350k and falling; 175k completely vaxxed if two doses required.

Cases at 20kish reported, guess 60k in reality. Plus cases only hit the susceptible population.

Another fortnight on current trends and there could be as many people becoming immune through infection as vaccination.

Hard to imagine we won't see signs of growth starting to ease over that time, otherwise it could go properly tits up.

And 60k at Wembley, 140k at Silverstone a really bad idea if we don't see some signs of improvement soon.
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But, crucially, hospitalisations remain relatively static at just over 200/day. When cases were at a similar level in Oct last year, hospitalisations were around 1000/day.
 
SWP's back said:
Sorted that for you.
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Can never really be arsed getting into the conversation with them when having a pint after game, may as well talk to the wall when you immediately hear comments like “not having that shit put in to me”.

Just pointing out that’s the kind of issues we have in that age group.
 
Every region way up but GM is not up more or less than the rest of the NW so todays numbers are on a par with the rest unfortunately. Just under 50% of the NW rise both day to day and week to week which is about right.


North West was up from 2763 to 4168 today = 1405. Greater Manchester up from 1280 to 1941 - highest since last Winter and a rise of 661 versus the par of about 702.

Week to week NW up 1727 from 2441whilst GM up from 1086 to 1941 - a rise of 855 - almost exactly on par of expected rise of 863.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Plenty of the guys who I play football with, who are in their late 20’s and early to mid 30’s, have zero interest in getting the jab. Think there’s only one of them who has had it, and I’d guess that’s because he’s married with a kid and probably sees life differently.
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To be fair, I can see their point. I’m a bit older and had mine as soon as I could but if I was under 30 I’d definitely consider not having it. What’s to say it won’t end up like the last vaccine they made for swine flu (Pandemrix) which ended up causing narcolepsy and got withdrawn? Pretty sure people slagged those off at the time that didn’t have it saying it was safe.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Can never really be arsed getting into the conversation with them when having a pint after game, may as well talk to the wall when you immediately hear comments like “not having that shit put in to me”.
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I bet these cunts take any old pill they’ve just paid a tenner for on a Saturday night in Venus or Sankeys or whichever fucking place hasn’t closed down yet. And I bet there’s far more dodgy shit in that.
 
SWP's back said:
I bet these cunts take any old pill they’ve just paid a tenner for on a Saturday night in Venus or Sankeys or whichever fucking place hasn’t closed down yet. And I bet there’s far more dodgy shit in that.
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Ha, not quite, not really their bag tbh.

I wouldn’t class them as anti-vaxxers, just lack of education and knowledge. Fit guys who just fancy their chances and are selfish cûnts.
 
True_Blue69 said:
To be fair, I can see their point. I’m a bit older and had mine as soon as I could but if I was under 30 I’d definitely consider not having it. What’s to say it won’t end up like the last vaccine they made for swine flu (Pandemrix) which ended up causing narcolepsy and got withdrawn? Pretty sure people slagged those off at the time that didn’t have it saying it was safe.
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For every Pandremix vaccine dispensed, 100 Covid vaccines have been given out (30 million v 3 billion).
If it wasn't safe we'd know about it by now.
There was a 1 in 10,000 chance of pandremix having serious side effects. The chances of any of the Covid vaccines causing serious side effects is a lot less than that and the data is there to prove it.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Ha, not quite, not really their bag tbh.

I wouldn’t class them as anti-vaxxers, just lack of education and knowledge. Fit guys who just fancy their chances and are selfish cûnts.
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Reality check isn't it. It's not an irrational choice for them. Taking it would be also be a rational choice.

Without vaccine bonuses or privileges, other people will have to continue the grind just to keep a lid on things.

There's no such thing as society when you are 22 and full of testosterone, money, alcohol, petrol and freedom. Spunk to be spent, adrenaline and dopamine rushes to seek out.

It's not a new development. Somehow I worry people think that the civilised and peaceful aspects of society we grew up in occurred naturally in accordance with human nature.

Uhhh. No. Not really. It was engineered. We were brainwashing people with the education of a version of history that promoted social thought, civility, tolerance and kindness.

Still, if people just want to leave it to the natural course of events, there's no way I can honestly say I know what will happen - just that we were doing something different, and the historical reasons for doing so were extremely strong.
 
west didsblue said:
For every Pandremix vaccine dispensed, 100 Covid vaccines have been given out (30 million v 3 billion).
If it wasn't safe we'd know about it by now.
There was a 1 in 10,000 chance of pandremix having serious side effects. The chances of any of the Covid vaccines causing serious side effects is a lot less than that and the data is there to prove it.
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You are 100% sure that there will not turn out to be any negative side effects in years to come? Hire long did it take for Pandremix to be classed as harmful?
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DATA

Unfortuntately the hospital data over the weekend is as expected still a problem for the North West. But unsurprisingly so and it could be a lot worse.

Admissions over the three days to Saturday were 184 - 206 - 223 VERSUS 202 - 175 - 178 the week before Not wildly dissimilar numbers but rising day by day not falling as a week ago.


NW admissions were the highest each day 57 - 61 - 65 VERSUS 68 - 55 - 53 the week before. Again not wildly different but rising not falling.

Yorkshire was close to topping NW and may do so soon as in that latest number had 56 admissions v NW 65 amd that is double where Yorkshire were last week (28)

London and Midlands next biggest contributers but have stayed steady in the mid 30s/40s and not risen as much as Yorkshire,

But these are still modest numbers - just more of them as multuple regions now starting to add in.


Total patients in England FELL Friday to Saturday 1284 to 1276 - then rose to 1331 yesterday and up to 1465 today.

That compares with seven days ago of Friday to Saturday 1170 to 1143 - then rising to 1168 and 1290.

So week to week the Monday rise was 122 last week and is 134 today - not a very big jump up in the circumstances.

The weekly increase in England patients is 175 - which is only about 14% up wk to wk.

The previous week the increase was from 993 to 1290 - a rise of 297 and a much higher % rise too.

NW patients over the weekend rose 429 - 442 - 466 - 498 - up 69.

Last week they went 411 - 384 - 412 - 426

So they are 72 up today wk to wk - around 18% up week to week.

London is actually down week to week 303 to 302, East up 67 to 82, Midlands 205 to 229, Yorkshire 175 to 217, South East 60 to 67 and South West 44 to 70 - the biggest weekly % rise.


On ventilators the story is much the same: Going over the weekend 238 - 236 - 244 - 272 - up 34 on wk around 15% The most of that rise actually came today (28)

Last wk these numbers went 210 - 203 - 196 - 212 - a much better performance.

Of these rises unfortunately again the NW is the big reason going 87 - 89 - 95 - 101 - the first region back over 100 in many weeks.

These sadly will lead to more deaths in the NW in weeks to come.

Other ventilator numbers over the weekend are:-

East 10 - 10 - 11 - 12, London 62 - 59 - 53 - 66, Midlands 40 - 38 - 41 - 45, Yorkshire 26 - 25 - 24 - 29, South East 5 - 8 - 10 - 12 and South West 8 - 7 - 10 - 7


I will leave this up to others to analyse better than I can.

But whilst it is not good - especially for the NW - it is not yet what you would consider a major problem.
 
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