Coronavirus (2021) thread

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ayrshire_blue said:
It doesn't matter. The problem still persists. I'm absolutely for an easing of restrictions if data isn't pointing to a disaster otherwise, that's fine by me. I doubt she is looking to join 50,000 crowds at the football or jump into mosh pits just now, so I assume she any many others would shield from that, but she does deserve deserve to go to the shops with some kind of safety precautions in place. Wearing a mask in public shops and transport is water off a ducks back to most of us, imo it'd be wrong not to continue that until more protection is given. It's not asking for much from people.
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Has she not always been at risk with her condition, or is it only covid that would impact her?

My Mum is high risk due to having scarring on her lungs from pneumonia, the slightest chest infection she is on strong antibiotics and oxygen, can barely speak nevermind walk anywhere. She wouldn’t dream of demanding that we keep restrictions or people should wear masks in shops. People were vulnerable before covid and we didn’t do it then.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
You are never going to eliminate risks with everything though no matter the health complications of people.
Driving, flu, covid, walking to the shops carry risks.
I get her point but you cannot carry on these rules any longer. It's now 16 months.
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All they said, from your account, is that they want us to keep wearing them. That's not a rule, that's a request. Advice. Sounds pretty reasonable.

Keep the numbers of people needing treatment for Long Covid down. Did you read the recent ONS survey? Nearly a million said their symptoms lasted longer than a month.

They're opening specialist clinics up and down the country. Seems very likely some of these people will need treatment for the rest of their lives. The more people give up totally, the more people the NHS will have to treat in the future. Save money, keep the bill down - wear a mask.

Unless it really drives you mental, in which case, yeah. You can either try and sort that out or just say you can't stand it any more. There'd be no hard feelings here, I know what that's like. It's a bit of a step from that tho to say that EVERYONE ELSE has to stop wearing them to make you feel better.

Or you could do it for the kids. Less transmission, less pressure to get them vaccinated. Less chance they end up in the Long Covid clinics being set up for them.

There are many ways to think about a situation that we don't like, many ways to respond. Some are easier to live with than others. And many ways to word a response. Some more helpful than others.

It's the noisy wheel that gets the grease, but at some point, level heads are better for everyone.

We get it. SAGE and all the others are in your head and you can't stand them. Apart from a handful of peope who feel the same way, we're not fussed. In situations like this, someone has to do the job of giving the nation medical and scientific advice. SAGE are far from perfect. But they were proved right several times when their critics were massively wrong.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Has she not always been at risk with her condition, or is it only covid that would impact her?

My Mum is high risk due to having scarring on her lungs from pneumonia, the slightest chest infection she is on strong antibiotics and oxygen, can barely speak nevermind walk anywhere. She wouldn’t dream of demanding that we keep restrictions or people should wear masks in shops. People were vulnerable before covid and we didn’t do it then.
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There hasn't always been a pandemic to question herself if she should 'risk' nipping to Morrisons for a few groceries though. She's not asking for the mask wearing to continue indefinitely and as far as I can see not said anything else about other restrictions which might/will ease but it's fair that we continue to wear masks until cases alone are brought under control and more people are double jabbed.

An easy and understandable compromise I'd have thought.
 
Last night Mrs Unicorn and I went to a Victoria Wood play (Talent) at the reopened Crucible Theatre in Sheffield.

Loads of tickets apparently, despite distancing, something to do with something on telly (I only watch football live). It was good to be doing things again, can't wait for Manchester standing gigs, but I'm not going to lie and say I enjoy wearing face masks and can't wait to take them off.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
It's a shame for her but there is never going to be a situation where everyone is double jabbed and it doesn't look like Covid is going away. She will always be at some kind of risk from it.
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As well as countless other illnesses. A particularly nasty cold could see her off depending on how bad her immune system is. This upcoming horrendous flu season we're to expect might do it.

Viruses being dangerous to the immuno suppressed is not a new thing and its not going anywhere.

To thise suggesting longer restrictions or rules, at what point are cases low enough that we just get on with it?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
What an absurd video. They seem to be suggesting vaccines should not be used and we should just let the disease rip through the population because those people who survive would have stronger immunity than those vaccinated. We know what happens when you do that. Just look at the early stages in this country and places like Brazil. They have no suggestions of their own as to how the pandemic should be tackled. What is their agenda for producing this despicable sort of content?
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Spot on pal
 
Perhaps we should go back to lockdown, all stay at home to create a safe space for those vulnerable to go out.

ridiculous.

the vulnerable won’t have a very enjoyable meal in an empty restaurant or atmosphere at a sports game.
 
feelymcfeel said:
Viruses being dangerous to the immuno suppressed is not a new thing and its not going anywhere.
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Sure, but viruses of this lethality at high prevalence definitely *is* a new thing.


feelymcfeel said:
To thise suggesting longer restrictions or rules, at what point are cases low enough that we just get on with it?
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This is a very fair challenge. I would suggest:

1. If everyone who is eligible has had two vaccines offered (this should include 12-17yo)

ie there's nothing more we can do to protect people.

OR

2. Hospitalizations and deaths are not at significant risk of exceeding agreed bounds.

(2) Is a judgement. I'd suggest 1000 hospitalizations (1/4 of the Jan peak) and 100 deaths daily as the bounds.

Currently we fail (2) with cases doubling every 10 days. Unless that stops we can expect to go above these limits, and pretty quickly. If restrictions are lifted they may be overshot considerably, though noone knows for sure.

I wouldn't have a huge problem if different limits were agreed. Neither would I object to lifting restrictions if ac scientific assessment showed we'd stay within these, or similar bounds. What I hate is the "we just have to live with it" rhetoric without acknowledging the harm that will result, and the lack of any quantification of the assessment.

If that makes any sense.
 
ctwrd said:
Perhaps we should go back to lockdown, all stay at home to create a safe space for those vulnerable to go out.

ridiculous.

the vulnerable won’t have a very enjoyable meal in an empty restaurant or atmosphere at a sports game.
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Nobody is suggesting going back into lockdowns.

You seem to be getting in a tizz about whether you may have to wear a mask in certain sections of normal society.

Come 19th July, some people will still choose to wear masks in certain aspects of life, whilst others will be singing “No surrender to the Face Mask Scam”.
 
ctwrd said:
Perhaps we should go back to lockdown, all stay at home to create a safe space for those vulnerable to go out.
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Who’s saying that ?

The only plausible reason to ever go back into lockdown again would be if hospital capacity is close to reaching its limit and there’s not enough ICU units/beds.
Thankfully we look a world away from that situation right now - but things can always change in a pandemic.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
As predicted a SAGE doomster doesn't want us to stop wearing masks etc, despite 50% of our population now being double jabbed.
They can't accept that the end is nigh for them, absolute scare mongering pricks who have consistently got their projections and forecasts wrong.
It's time for them to fuck off back to their laboratories.
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You have a point. They really are not doing themselves and their profession any favours.
Deaths over 7 days down 2% - even though cases are going up.
 
I'm really confused with the whole thing now.

When we were talking about removing all the restrictions a few months ago, I was expecting that we would have the vast majority of people double vaccinated. I also expected that case numbers would be low and staying low - similar to how they were last year.

Obviously the delta variant has come along, but we're going to remove all the restrictions in a couple of weeks with a large number of cases. We will probably "only" have around 70-75% of people double vaccinated too. I'm no expert, but this doesn't seem ideal conditions for removing the restrictions?

Let me say that I honestly can't wait for the restrictions to go, I really can't. I hate wearing a mask (even though I do everywhere), self isolation is really annoying, the constant school bubble popping causes me a lot of stress at home and work. I've seen my childs classes postponed, cancelled and you can see how much time it's taken to get back up to speed when they've re-opened. Going to pubs is a hassle and I've missed going away this year. It's been a really difficult year and I really don't want another lockdown. I will be really annoyed if we have another one.

As I see it, in a couple of weeks we could be getting towards 40k of new cases per day. With the restrictions gone, I can only see this increasing. I wouldn't be surprised to see it going MUCH higher soon after. It will lead to more people in hospital and it surely creates more chances for new variants to appear? If nothing else, we're going to expose lots of people to long Covid too and we seem to be quite happy to expose kids to Covid no problem.

As I said, I want the restrictions gone I really do but I don't understand why the 19th is the deadline date? I can't see any logic in it at all.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Nobody is suggesting going back into lockdowns.

You seem to be getting in a tizz about whether you may have to wear a mask in certain sections of normal society.

Come 19th July, some people will still choose to wear masks in certain aspects of life, whilst others will be singing “No surrender to the Face Mask Scam”.
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And how long before Neanderthal cunts start targeting mask wearers?
Look at the anti mask vitriol on here.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
And how long before Neanderthal cunts start targeting mask wearers?
Look at the anti mask vitriol on here.
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A very likely scenario. I‘m going to bring out a range of masks with slogans to contact this threat. Slogans such as:

FCUK Marxist Kneelers
I’m wearing this mask sarcastically.
I have Ebola, stand back
Covid is a myth
It’s time to open up
Free Tommeh

This should give them a dilemma.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
At risk of being tedious, literally nobody is suggesting this.

It's almost as though you because you have no case against the points people are making, you instead invent points they are not making.
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The point being, we may as well be in lockdown judging by how soft people seem to have become
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
I'm really confused with the whole thing now.

When we were talking about removing all the restrictions a few months ago, I was expecting that we would have the vast majority of people double vaccinated. I also expected that case numbers would be low and staying low - similar to how they were last year.

Obviously the delta variant has come along, but we're going to remove all the restrictions in a couple of weeks with a large number of cases. We will probably "only" have around 70-75% of people double vaccinated too. I'm no expert, but this doesn't seem ideal conditions for removing the restrictions?

Let me say that I honestly can't wait for the restrictions to go, I really can't. I hate wearing a mask (even though I do everywhere), self isolation is really annoying, the constant school bubble popping causes me a lot of stress at home and work. I've seen my childs classes postponed, cancelled and you can see how much time it's taken to get back up to speed when they've re-opened. Going to pubs is a hassle and I've missed going away this year. It's been a really difficult year and I really don't want another lockdown. I will be really annoyed if we have another one.

As I see it, in a couple of weeks we could be getting towards 40k of new cases per day. With the restrictions gone, I can only see this increasing. I wouldn't be surprised to see it going MUCH higher soon after. It will lead to more people in hospital and it surely creates more chances for new variants to appear? If nothing else, we're going to expose lots of people to long Covid too and we seem to be quite happy to expose kids to Covid no problem.

As I said, I want the restrictions gone I really do but I don't understand why the 19th is the deadline date? I can't see any logic in it at all.
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75% is massive.
Most of the 25% probably don’t want it and most definitely don’t need it
 
ctwrd said:
The point being, we may as well be in lockdown judging by how soft people seem to have become
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I am torn. I was very blasé to it. Even mistakingly comparing it to flu and thinking it would last a matter of weeks. I was far too matcho at work and being stupid and indeed putting pressure on people to attend the office and then having had the fucker my view has completely changed. It is an absolute basted of an illness and we have to be so careful. I would not wish it on Paddy Crerand
 
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