Coronavirus (2021) thread

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bobbyowenquiff said:
It would only take one child out of hundreds of thousands to die of Covid (with no other underlying causes) to throw a spanner in the works. I am not the Government's biggest fan but I really do think this is a tough decision to take and I can't argue with the logic of what they have announced today. It really is a can't win situation.
The other risk of course is of a new deadly variant because the more infections which occur the greater the risk of mutations (anywhere in the world). Let's hope this decision comes off.
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Are you arguing that one child death should lead to a reversal?

suggest you check the data, children are not immortal.
 
ctwrd said:
Are you arguing that one child death should lead to a reversal?

suggest you check the data, children are not immortal.
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No I am not arguing that at all. What I am saying is that they have had to make a tough decision. Can you imagine the reaction in the media if one healthy child dies from Covid. The decision on whether or not to vaccinate children is also a tough one. They could be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It would only take one child out of hundreds of thousands to die of Covid (with no other underlying causes) to throw a spanner in the works. I am not the Government's biggest fan but I really do think this is a tough decision to take and I can't argue with the logic of what they have announced today. It really is a can't win situation.
The other risk of course is of a new deadly variant because the more infections which occur the greater the risk of mutations (anywhere in the world). Let's hope this decision comes off.
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There is no logic, the date is arbitrary. Might as well be the 9th or the 29th. This is a punt. It’s a punt because there is zero data upon which to base this decision and there is no data because this is the first time we have made this decision based on this set of circumstances.

This is not to say the decision is right or wrong. We won’t know that until after the event.

We are the data. We are the experiment.
 
BobKowalski said:
There is no logic, the date is arbitrary. Might as well be the 9th or the 29th. This is a punt. It’s a punt because there is zero data upon which to base this decision and there is no data because this is the first time we have made this decision based on this set of circumstances.

This is not to say the decision is right or wrong. We won’t know that until after the event.

We are the data. We are the experiment.
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I agree with you though I wouldn't describe it as an "experiment." I just think that the Government probably had to make this decision now (in the Summer) otherwise people would say: "What has been the point of all the vaccinations." Delaying this decision till the winter would also have been risky because of the increased strains on the NHS or the emergence of another variant.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
No I am not arguing that at all. What I am saying is that they have had to make a tough decision. Can you imagine the reaction in the media if one healthy child dies from Covid. The decision on whether or not to vaccinate children is also a tough one. They could be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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I can imagine the media. That lady on sky was the first to ask bojo if he was being reckless removing restrictions which she failed to follow herself.
They beg for restrictions when we loosen and beg to loosen when new restrictions are applied. Consistently trying to generate a story.
However, people should be mature enough to understand that healthy children can die and that does not mean stop the rest of the world.
 
Think pubs shops need to have
mrbilliejoe said:
Thanks for replies - I presumed that to be the case but a few weeks ago my wife and I both developed the *newer* symptoms (runny nose, headache etc) I was over in a day or so but mrsbilliejoe (who hadn't been jabbed at the time) and our 5 month old had it for about 4-5 days longer. We stayed indoors and took the LFTs throughout and they all showed negative, I was just wondering whether the antibody test might shed some light on whether that was covid or just some summer cold/high pollen we were dealing with.
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If they do an antibody test on you they will see if you’ve had Covid or not..
 
Marvin said:
Long term we need an air filtration system in buildings and transport that can filter and sterilise the air. A lot of people will have developed phobias about social contact. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, it will lead to changes in public behaviour that could impact on cities, transport, shopping, building regs etc
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Society is lazy. We won't make any of those changes as we're not run by progressive, forward-thinkers. We'll be back to 'normal' within months as we're a country that prefers blunt methods as opposed to anything subtle or creative. Those with phobias will likely just be ignored sadly.
 
twosips said:
Society is lazy. We won't make any of those changes as we're not run by progressive, forward-thinkers. We'll be back to 'normal' within months as we're a country that prefers blunt methods as opposed to anything subtle or creative. Those with phobias will likely just be ignored sadly.
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Some things need to be left in the hands of mother nature. She's done a pretty good job, so far.
 
GM Weekly Pop Data after today:~

Borough / Pop Today / 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.



Oldham 567 / 359 / UP 208 Testing positive 11.4%

Manchester 518 / 480 / UP 38 Testing positive 11.8%

Wigan 517 / 438 / UP 79 Testing positive 10. 7%

Rochdale 495 / 353 / UP 142 Testing positive 11.3 %

Salford 492 / 462 / UP 30 Testing positive 11.1%

Trafford 461 / 338 / UP 123 Testing positive 8.6%

Tameside 417 / 332 / UP 85 Testing positive 9.5%

Bury 389 / 375 / UP 14 Testing positive 10.9%

Stockport 350 / 257 / UP 93 Testing positive 8.5%

Bolton 301 / 286 / UP 15 Testing positive 11.9%




Better numbers more or less all round.

Apart from Oldham which has now cut loose and risen well ahead of the rest with the highest Pop Score in the county since last Winter, First tine I have seen Oldham top.


Trafford case numbers remain a lot worse than Stockport and today lost the most yet - 29 - on its overall Pop Score in one go to give Stockport a lead as best i GM over the whole pandemic of 69.

Stockport up 44 now on 8552 but Trafford up by 73 - to 8621.

Bolton up 39 - best of the day - to 11, 915.

Oldham 79 to 11, 376.

Manchester up 56 - now on 11, 828. Closing in on highest in GM from Bolton,

Rochdale up 66 on 11, 302 now falling behind the rampant rise of Oldham.

Salford rose by 58 to 11, 087.

But others are not far off.

Bury, doing much better now and rising by just 49 - now on 10, 881.

Wigan up by 69 to reach 10, 734.


So just Stockport and Trafford - both in the MID 8000s for now - and Tameside a rung above up 63 today on 9519.
 
bluenova said:
I suspect that has a lot to do with the US attitudes to vaccination/covid in different areas - and Fauci makes the point that a lot of this is down to people choosing not to get vaccinated/follow rules.

In the UK, where (I believe) there's less variation in vaccination rates and rule following, it's nowhere near 99%.

fullfact.org

Vaccinated people sometimes die of Covid-19—but very rarely – Full Fact

Many of the most at-risk people have been vaccinated, which is why figures from Public Health England show that some have still died.
fullfact.org fullfact.org
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Only because the vaccine is so effective. If there are 1000 deaths in a country that’s only 50% vaccinated 990 would be amongst the unvaccinated and just 10 vaccinated making it look like the vaccine is 99% effective. In a nearly completely vaccinated country, there’d still be the 10 deaths amongst the vaccinated but maybe just 20 amongst the unvaccinated because there’s so few of them. It makes it look like the vaccine is just 66% effective but that would be misleading. That’s what’s happening here. Someone posted a Twitter thread on it that explains it much better than I did but the fact that the percentage of vaccinated people dying increasing appears to be a bad thing, in reality it’s good if you look at the underlying raw data.
 
GM VACCINE UPDATE:




Latest Vaccine Update by Population Percentage for 10 GM boroughs

Borough/ First Dose / Both Doses - TODAY V YESTERDAY


BOLTON 76.8% / 58.2% V 76.8 / 58.1% Up 0.1

BURY 78.2% / 59.2% V 78.0% / 58.8% Up 0.6

MANCHESTER 61.1% / 39.1% V 61.1% / 38.9% Up 0.2

OLDHAM 72.8% / 54.7% V 72.6% / 54.6% Up 0.3

ROCHDALE 74.3% / 55.1% V 74.2% / 54.6% Up 0.6

SALFORD 68.2 % / 45.8% V 68.1% / 45.6% Up 0.3

STOCKPORT 82.5% / 62.7% V 82.4% / 62.4% Up 0.4

TAMESIDE 77.9% / 59.7% V 77.9% / 59.6% Up 0.1

TRAFFORD 80.1% / 60.5% V 80.1% / 60.4% Up 0.1

WIGAN 81.7% / 61.8% V 81.6% / 61.7% Up 0.2


Bolton, Tameside and Trafford only up 0.1% did the fewest today.

But Bury and Rochdale were the best going up 0.6%

Sundays are often lower numbers,
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I agree with you though I wouldn't describe it as an "experiment." I just think that the Government probably had to make this decision now (in the Summer) otherwise people would say: "What has been the point of all the vaccinations." Delaying this decision till the winter would also have been risky because of the increased strains on the NHS or the emergence of another variant.
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I‘ll drop the experiment part :)

What ever date was chosen there was going to be risk. Personally I would opted for gradually easing the restrictions and would have mandated mask wearing in specific situations like public transport. I also wouldn’t have announced it so far in advance as people will start easing up tomorrow. It’s not so much the date I would take issue with, but the removal of some fairly common-sense measures like masks.

The Govt knows it makes sense to wear masks because it stresses the need for personal responsibility etc., but it doesn’t seem to have the balls to continue mandating mask wearing.

Anyway, time will be the judge of the Govts decision. Right now, no one knows.
 
ctwrd said:
Are you arguing that one child death should lead to a reversal?

suggest you check the data, children are not immortal.
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One of the England hospital deaths announced today was in the youngest age group,

It will be more visible now deaths are fewer and tragically young ones stand out and get picked up by the media.
 
hammocity said:
Has your mum got pulmonary fibrosis? Only reason I ask is my mum was placed on a new drug for the disease from Wythenshawe Hospital and her condition stabilised, unfortunately my mum then became so ill she passed away just over 2 years ago. The drug was expensive and delivered by a motor cycle courier for security.
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I’m not sure to be honest, know she was quite ill a good few years ago with pneumonia which has damaged the lungs and has had a number of bad chest infections since. She thinks she may have had it a few times when she was younger looking back but not diagnosed. Sorry to hear that about your Mum.
 
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