Coronavirus (2021) thread

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west didsblue said:
Only because the vaccine is so effective. If there are 1000 deaths in a country that’s only 50% vaccinated 990 would be amongst the unvaccinated and just 10 vaccinated making it look like the vaccine is 99% effective. In a nearly completely vaccinated country, there’d still be the 10 deaths amongst the vaccinated but maybe just 20 amongst the unvaccinated because there’s so few of them. It makes it look like the vaccine is just 66% effective but that would be misleading. That’s what’s happening here. Someone posted a Twitter thread on it that explains it much better than I did but the fact that the percentage of vaccinated people dying increasing appears to be a bad thing, in reality it’s good if you look at the underlying raw data.
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I understand that - but that's not the point I was making, or responding to :)

The post I was responding to was quoting Fauci saying that in the US, 99% of deaths are unvaccinated people (and the poster said that meant the link between cases/deaths has been broken). The fullfact website quoted figures in the UK suggesting a much higher proportion of deaths in this country come from fully vaccinated people (which, as you explain, is what we'd expect). It's the difference between the US and UK which needs explaining as overall we have similar rates of fully vaccinated people as the US.

So, if the overall full vaccination rates are similar, I was wondering if it was due to the distribution of vaccinations in the US, or perhaps covid rule breakers being concentrated in certain areas. I've just checked, and vaccination rates are wildly different state to state - the best ones have twice the proportion of fully vaccinated people. That could be one factor in the 99% figure, as they still have large areas with low vaccination rates, where the statistical effect you describe above hasn't yet kicked in.
 
True_Blue69 said:
I’m not sure to be honest, know she was quite ill a good few years ago with pneumonia which has damaged the lungs and has had a number of bad chest infections since. She thinks she may have had it a few times when she was younger looking back but not diagnosed. Sorry to hear that about your Mum.
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My mum had Pneumonia which damaged her lungs but she was diagnosed with PF just 6 months later and lived another 7 months. She was previously very fit and healthy, it's a terrible disease. I feel for you and your mum, it's a really difficult time, hope she gets through it and gets some kind of quality of life, really puts things in perspective.
 
bluenova said:
I understand that - but that's not the point I was making, or responding to :)

The post I was responding to was quoting Fauci saying that in the US, 99% of deaths are unvaccinated people (and the poster said that meant the link between cases/deaths has been broken). The fullfact website quoted figures in the UK suggesting a much higher proportion of deaths in this country come from fully vaccinated people (which, as you explain, is what we'd expect). It's the difference between the US and UK which needs explaining as overall we have similar rates of fully vaccinated people as the US.

So, if the overall full vaccination rates are similar, I was wondering if it was due to the distribution of vaccinations in the US, or perhaps covid rule breakers being concentrated in certain areas. I've just checked, and vaccination rates are wildly different state to state - the best ones have twice the proportion of fully vaccinated people. That could be one factor in the 99% figure, as they still have large areas with low vaccination rates, where the statistical effect you describe above hasn't yet kicked in.
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I think you’re correct. Some of the Republican states with the biggest proportion of brainwashed Trump cultists are still well under 50% vaccinated, and I strongly suspect that it’s those states where there are the majority of the deaths, although even those are declining rapidly now.
 
ayrshire_blue said:


It's been a long day and I can't fully get my head around what this means, but it sounds fairly important and positive in nature so I'm posting it.
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it appears to mean that if a vaccinated person catches Covid, they are far less likely to allow the virus to develop a mutation than an unvaccinated person who catches Covid. Also seems to suggest that the range of symptoms and side effects of an infection in a vaccinated person is lower than in an unvaccinated person.

So, if I understand correctly, an infection in a vaccinated person leads to less risk of mutation and the vaccine helps restrict the virus from mutating and there are fewer symptoms and side effects in a vaccinated person than an infection in an unvaccinated person.
 
twosips said:
Big blow for all the conspiracy theorists this lol. No compulsory check-ins, no compulsory vaccinations, no covid passports, no masks or curfews... a few family members told me all this would happen and I was a 'sheep'... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Do you think all the objection, outrage ,marches etc by all the nay sayers helped with these things not happening..
if it was left to all the COVID “enthusiasts” all you have mentioned above would maybe be the norm..
 
I thought Boris sounded very sombre last night, sadly I'm not expecting the restriction lifting to last very long and we have a Sept / Oct lockdown. I hope I am wrong.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I thought Boris sounded very sombre last night, sadly I'm not expecting the restriction lifting to last very long and we have a Sept / Oct lockdown. I hope I am wrong.
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All these negative people banging on about October lockdowns, you do realise this will mean that for some unfathomable reason the vaccine programme will have been a complete failure right?

This thing is over. Get double jabbed and go and live your lives.

Matt, reading your posts it sounds like you’re either trolling or clinically depressed. If it’s the latter you need to get off this thread and speak to someone.
 
Independant Sage saying we should have waited to relax till the booster programme is dome and teenagers are vaccinated.

I think they like restrictions as much as I like the blues.
 
Del_Bosque said:
i’m the opposite, want bookings, table service one way systems gone asap

I’d imagine pub owners do to ££
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Yep. Pub owners and bar staff largely hate table service, it's knackering and costly.

Young chap in Sheffield last night desperate to get back to serving me at the bar rather than having to make 4 trips out to my table to deliver and collect pints and bring card machine, even though I tipped him a couple of quid out of sympathy.

Most people confuse "bar service" with "loitering at the bar". I just want to pay for and collect my pint at the bar and then sit down (happy to wear a mask to do that) and most regular pubgoers I know are the same. Not all pubs are like the Northern Quarter ones where there's a queue at the bar, especially on a wet Wednesday in Stockport.
 
Anyone know how long till cases start falling or some degree of herd immunity? I know that's a "how longs a piece of string" question but i really just mean a best guesstimate. I'm immune suppressed so planning on staying in out the way till cases get low again. I'm hoping with that it's obviously gonna rip through the rest of the unvaccinated that with along with the jabbed it might only be 2 or 3 mths till this may be behind us, god willing.
 
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