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inbetween said:
People and companies have a moral right to do this anyway, why do they need to be told or signalled? Clearly if anti-racism requires this sort of constant messaging then we must all really be completely bankrupt and lost. It's almost like we are all sinners and taking the knee is our weekly form of confession which absolves us all of our sins, if you don't then you must be a closet racist.

Again I come back to Rashford (one red I really respect) but he has done far more for the anti-racist movement than any of this imported BLM stuff has. He is indeed politically involved but he has a right to be because unlike most he is actually doing something towards pushing the movement and many other issues forwards beyond politics.
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It seems to be working for the players so far in this tournament. There haven’t been any reports of social media abuse towards them yet.

This may of course be related to them not having lost yet.
 
It will be interesting to see GBNews take on players who refuse to wear a poppy on their shirt.
 


Nice to have an organisation fronted by an establishment figure using his influence within the establishment to protect his brand.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Because it seems true. Anyone who questions the rather broad and mixed policy intentions of blm tends to be characterised as either racist or far right. I'm all for racial equality, not so keen on defunding the police etc. I also think the knee has been in some senses hijacked to sooth white middle-class conscience rather than bring about actual change. The racism I think we need to deal with isn't the overt in your face stuff, but the more subtle discrimination that operates slightly under the radar - very like our class system in fact, to quietly deny opportunity to black people. I see value in the knee if it maintains pressure / awareness, but also a danger that it is becoming a token gesture that is a substitute for actual change.
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It seems true?

If you neither know or care then why mention the "broad and mixed policy intentions of BLM"? Who are are the people questioning this and what do they believe these intentions to be?

What do you think 'defund the police' means?

All racism needs to be dealt with, be it in your face or subtle.

How long players carry on taking the knee is of no concern to me. If most players stop but for example Sterling decides to carry on as he's still getting racist abuse then fine. I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that.
 
ROCKET80 said:
It seems true?

If you neither know or care then why mention the "broad and mixed policy intentions of BLM"? Who are are the people questioning this and what do they believe these intentions to be?

What do you think 'defund the police' means?

All racism needs to be dealt with, be it in your face or subtle.

How long players carry on taking the knee is of no concern to me. If most players stop but for example Sterling decides to carry on as he's still getting racist abuse then fine. I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that.
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I think everyone jubilantly celebrating Sterling's match-winning Euros goals is a bigger example of a stand and unity against racism than taking a knee by default, but hey-ho. Plenty of teams have just kicked off as normal or only taken it because a British team did and it's made less noteworthy impact during the tournament than sponsors and the Germans trying to piss off the Russians and Hungarians by putting rainbows everywhere. Once you do a protest gesture constantly it becomes normalised and less impactful.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
I think everyone jubilantly celebrating Sterling's match-winning Euros goals is a bigger example of a stand and unity against racism than taking a knee by default, but hey-ho. Plenty of teams have just kicked off as normal or only taken it because a British team did and it's made less noteworthy impact during the tournament than sponsors and the Germans trying to piss off the Russians and Hungarians by putting rainbows everywhere. Once you do a protest gesture constantly it becomes normalised and less impactful.
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I disagree that people celebrating Sterling's goals is an example of unity against racism. There's been lots a of times I've heard racist abuse aimed at a player either in the stands or in pubs then those people celebrate wildly that player scoring...Racists tend to be idiots.

Perhaps taking the knee is becoming less impactful for some people, it certainly isn't for me, it's up to the players to decide when they want to stop.
 
ROCKET80 said:
I disagree that people celebrating Sterling's goals is an example of unity against racism. There's been lots a of times I've heard racist abuse aimed at a player either in the stands or in pubs then those people celebrate wildly that player scoring...Racists tend to be idiots.

Perhaps taking the knee is becoming less impactful for some people, it certainly isn't for me, it's up to the players to decide when they want to stop.
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I think it's been an unifying and harmonising experience.
 
ROCKET80 said:
I disagree that people celebrating Sterling's goals is an example of unity against racism. There's been lots a of times I've heard racist abuse aimed at a player either in the stands or in pubs then those people celebrate wildly that player scoring...Racists tend to be idiots.

Perhaps taking the knee is becoming less impactful for some people, it certainly isn't for me, it's up to the players to decide when they want to stop.
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Agree with all of that, but we have seen a couple of examples already of a player deciding to not do it and it's fair to say that attracted more comment/attention than those doing it. We have created a situation where the players are compelled really, much as we do with the national anthem. Possibly both harmless or good even, but compelled gesture/chanting is not the way a modern free society should function.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Agree with all of that, but we have seen a couple of examples already of a player deciding to not do it and it's fair to say that attracted more comment/attention than those doing it. We have created a situation where the players are compelled really, much as we do with the national anthem. Possibly both harmless or good even, but compelled gesture/chanting is not the way a modern free society should function.
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If the reasoning behind taking the knee is solely to ‘fight against racism and discrimination’ then I don’t believe anyone in our England team is feeling compelled to do it
 
who'd have thought a thread on a news channel that nobody watches and is totally shite, with poor lighting and production as well as far right nazi presenters would burst through the 100 page barrier, pmsl, i'll leave it in your capable hands to carry it on, ttfn
 
lazerblue said:
who'd have thought a thread on a news channel that nobody watches and is totally shite, with poor lighting and production as well as far right nazi presenters would burst through the 100 page barrier, pmsl, i'll leave it in your capable hands to carry it on, ttfn
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half of it is you getting precious about the criticism it’s deservedly getting.
 
lazerblue said:
who'd have thought a thread on a news channel that nobody watches and is totally shite, with poor lighting and production as well as far right nazi presenters would burst through the 100 page barrier, pmsl, i'll leave it in your capable hands to carry it on, ttfn
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You mis-understand - an awful lot of people who dip in and comment on it do so purely for the comedy value and to watch the bonfire of careers - I have probably seen cumulatively less than 5 hrs in total of its output and find it funny as fuck
 
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