Climate Change is here and man made

[NeilYoungIsBack]

The climate movement has become quite mainstream nowadays yet no-one is really doing anything personally about it, no-one has changed their behaviour and no-one is going to. They'd rather just blame governments and there you go it's someone else's problem.

Any attempt to solve this problem is self-defeating unless we tackle the only thing that matters and that's consumption. If we reduce consumption by 50% (god knows how) then that still becomes pointless if we will increase the population over time by 50%. The actual figure is more sobering, the population has increased by 900% in just 200 years.

I think we can do a fair bit to make a difference at a personal level. If enough people care enough to change their habits, I mean.

e.g. one of the quickest (and cheapest) wins is modify what you eat. Some foods have a much bigger carbon footprint than others, with beef, lamb and dairy products being the biggest problem. The carbon footprint of chicken and pork is much much lower, so just by switching away from red meat to white meat you can have a significant effect. Obviously, if you can eat less meat altogether then that's probably even better.

Another action is cutting down on short distance car journeys. Most car journeys are less than 2 miles, so we should be doing more to walk or cycle instead, or if that isn't possible think about catching a bus. I live next to our village primary school: it's amazing how many people drive their kids to school when they only live a short distance away. Some of them don't even bother switching their engines off while they gossip with their mates at drop off/pick up times, that one really drives me mad...

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Some of them don't even bother switching their engines off while they gossip with their mates at drop off/pick up times, that one really drives me mad...

Live next to a school in suburbia, this has the same effect on me. What astounds me is these arseholes are by their own laziness polluting the air which their little darlings have to walk back through to get in the car.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I think we can do a fair bit to make a difference at a personal level. If enough people care enough to change their habits, I mean.

e.g. one of the quickest (and cheapest) wins is modify what you eat. Some foods have a much bigger carbon footprint than others, with beef, lamb and dairy products being the biggest problem. The carbon footprint of chicken and pork is much much lower, so just by switching away from red meat to white meat you can have a significant effect. Obviously, if you can eat less meat altogether then that's probably even better.

Another action is cutting down on short distance car journeys. Most car journeys are less than 2 miles, so we should be doing more to walk or cycle instead, or if that isn't possible think about catching a bus. I live next to our village primary school: it's amazing how many people drive their kids to school when they only live a short distance away. Some of them don't even bother switching their engines off while they gossip with their mates at drop off/pick up times, that one really drives me mad...

what chance have we got though when you look at the pollution levels in India and China

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think we can do a fair bit to make a difference at a personal level. If enough people care enough to change their habits, I mean.

e.g. one of the quickest (and cheapest) wins is modify what you eat. Some foods have a much bigger carbon footprint than others, with beef, lamb and dairy products being the biggest problem. The carbon footprint of chicken and pork is much much lower, so just by switching away from red meat to white meat you can have a significant effect. Obviously, if you can eat less meat altogether then that's probably even better.

Another action is cutting down on short distance car journeys. Most car journeys are less than 2 miles, so we should be doing more to walk or cycle instead, or if that isn't possible think about catching a bus. I live next to our village primary school: it's amazing how many people drive their kids to school when they only live a short distance away. Some of them don't even bother switching their engines off while they gossip with their mates at drop off/pick up times, that one really drives me mad...

Unfortunately you've been brainwashed into believing any of the above will make any difference at all. Complete and utter waste of time unless/until we fix MUCH bigger problems like half the developing world or China actually giving a shit.

It suits politicians to sing you this song because it enables them to tax you more without you feeling too bad about it. But in reality it's just one enormous great con. Nothing you do, nothing anyone in the UK can do, will make an atom of difference.

Putting aside the rather obvious statement that the UK's contribution to global CO2 levels is, in itself, fuck all (The UK's total output is less than 500m tonnes of CO2 equivalent vs the US and China outputting around 17,000m just between the two of them. Not to mention India, Russia, Brazil, Indonesia, Japan etc - who all output multiples of what we do); you then factor in the ALL agriculture contributes 10% to our overall total. So you think eating less meat is going to help? Dream on.

Transport is the UK's biggest contributor, but of the 27% coming from transport, how much of that is lorries, delivery vans, buses, trains, planes? So cycling to Morrisons is going to help? Maybe you get to feel better about yourself but that's about it.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

what chance have we got though when you look at the pollution levels in India and China

We can't ignore our own pollution levels though. According to Public Health England between 25,000 and 32,000 people die in the UK each year from conditions linked to high levels of air pollution.

Obviously some of that pollution comes from source such as Power Generation, Industry, Agriculture and Public Transport, but how we heat our homes and the vehicles we drive also play a significant role.

 

[inbetween]

I think we can do a fair bit to make a difference at a personal level. If enough people care enough to change their habits, I mean.

e.g. one of the quickest (and cheapest) wins is modify what you eat. Some foods have a much bigger carbon footprint than others, with beef, lamb and dairy products being the biggest problem. The carbon footprint of chicken and pork is much much lower, so just by switching away from red meat to white meat you can have a significant effect. Obviously, if you can eat less meat altogether then that's probably even better.

Another action is cutting down on short distance car journeys. Most car journeys are less than 2 miles, so we should be doing more to walk or cycle instead, or if that isn't possible think about catching a bus. I live next to our village primary school: it's amazing how many people drive their kids to school when they only live a short distance away. Some of them don't even bother switching their engines off while they gossip with their mates at drop off/pick up times, that one really drives me mad...

Indeed diet modification would be a very quick win even if people just reigned it in a bit, that's what we are trying to do.

We still eat meat every now and then but we've started to follow a few meat-free books, one I like is called Dirty Vegan by Matt Pritchard, there's some good ones on his youtube too. Some of the stuff you can make is really good and meat isn't needed. I make my chilli now without mince and it's no different plus it's cheaper because kidney beans are cheap as chips.

I'm hoping that the pandemic will change how people drive indeed. My work is in the middle of nowhere, it's impossible to get to by public transport unless I take 2 trains and a bus. Thankfully the pandemic has meant we now work from home and probably will do forever so that's a lot of saved journeys multiplied by everyone at our work. We have 2 cars but I think 1 of them is going to go for good when the lease is up.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

Unfortunately you've been brainwashed into believing any of the above will make any difference at all. Complete and utter waste of time unless/until we fix MUCH bigger problems like half the developing world or China actually giving a shit.

It suits politicians to sing you this song because it enables them to tax you more without you feeling too bad about it. But in reality it's just one enormous great con. Nothing you do, nothing anyone in the UK can do, will make an atom of difference.

I am pretty sure that if I use my car less then I will be paying less tax! Walking more and eating less red meat is also good for health reasons, not just the environment.

Also, I am very aware that a significant number of people couldn't care less about the environment we live in, you just have to look at the piles of litter on the verges of any major road. That doesn't stop me from taking my own litter home.

Similarly, we have to hope that big countries like China, India and the US also do more, but in the meantime that's no reason to do nothing.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I am pretty sure that if I use my car less then I will be paying less tax! Walking more and eating less red meat is also good for health reasons, not just the environment.

Also, I am very aware that a significant number of people couldn't care less about the environment we live in, you just have to look at the piles of litter on the verges of any major road. That doesn't stop me from taking my own litter home.

Similarly, we have to hope that big countries like China, India and the US also do more, but in the meantime that's no reason to do nothing.

Agree with all of the above and FWIW I act similarly. It's the "make a difference" bit I picked up on. If everyone in the UK acted like you do, it would still make fuck all difference. The only difference is you get to feel like you are doing your bit.

The other bit of brainwashing is of course this "climate catastrophe" narrative. Will the earth still be inhabited by 11 billion humans in 2121? Of course it will. Will it be a bit warmer? Sure. Certain crops no longer viable in certain regions, but growable in others? Yep. Sea levels a foot or two higher? Probably.

This is climate change. The word "change" however is not emotive enough, so they needed to resort to scare tactics. Can we accommodate gradual changes over the next century or three? Of course we can.

That poor child Thunberg doubtless believed the world was coming to an end and of course if you believed that you'd want to do anything and everything to prevent it. The world is not coming to an end. She was lied to. All our kids are being lied to, daily at school. It's like Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge burning all books. State-funded, media complicit, end to end, brainwashing, day in, day out.

Is it sensible that we should all try to pollute less and care for our planet? Of course, no-one would deny that. But some of the rhetoric is completely over the top.

 

[inbetween]

Agree with all of the above and FWIW I act similarly. It's the "make a difference" bit I picked up on. If everyone in the UK acted like you do, it would still make fuck all difference. The only difference is you get to feel like you are doing your bit.

If everyone cannot make a difference then how did we get here in the first place? We can't undo what has already happened or is happening but we can at least do our bit. I will sleep easy in my bed either way knowing that I'm eating healthier and making better habits.

A lot of people have this attitude but if you drive 1 mile up the road it costs you petrol, if you leave your lights on then you pay more for electricity... What benefit is there to the route of ignorance instead?

When we talk of taxes and the difference we can make, I'm doing my garden later so maybe I should just forget paying my £30 a year for my garden bin and just throw the grass clippings in the middle of the road instead. Maybe I should just throw all my rubbish and recycling out there with it?

 

[Chippy_boy]

If everyone cannot make a difference then how did we get here in the first place? We can't undo what has already happened or is happening but we can at least do our bit. I will sleep easy in my bed either way knowing that I'm eating healthier and making better habits.

A lot of people have this attitude but if you drive 1 mile up the road it costs you petrol, if you leave your lights on then you pay more for electricity... What benefit is there to the route of ignorance instead?

When we talk of taxes and the difference we can make, I'm doing my garden later so maybe I should just forget paying my £30 a year for my garden bin and just throw the grass clippings in the middle of the road instead. Maybe I should just throw all my rubbish and recycling out there with it?

I think maybe you should re-read the first sentence of line of mine that you quoted? ;-)

 

[metalblue]

Your WW2 example -where was the global cooling event during the Vietnam War in the 1960s and 70s -when the USA dropped almost 4 times as much ordinance as on all sides during WW2 on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia?

My point is that Policy is being dictated by our Generation of useless Politicians on the worst possible case Climate scenario Models. Why? Because suddenly they have realised that the Taxing possibilities of this are endless. When will Climate Change ever be “fixed?”

We are attempting to Fix Climate Change on the basis of reducing CO2 emissions -which is a false dawn in my view -as CO2 emissions are a minuscule part of an equation we are nowhere near understanding. I’m not dismissing attempts to reduce this but the let’s stop this lie about fixing Climate Change that’s become part of Political discourse.

It’s irrelevant how many tonnes were dropped. It’s the size of an individual bomb and secondary effects such as fires caused are what dictate the environmental effect. What had the greater impact on the environment, the atomic bombs dropped on a two location Japan with a 16000 tonne yield for each versus dropping 128000 x 1 tonne bombs (ie 4 x the amount)?

Whilst I agree with you that focusing on 1 cause doesn’t see the whole picture but there are no magic wins here, just incremental changes we can make.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Another action is cutting down on short distance car journeys. Most car journeys are less than 2 miles, so we should be doing more to walk or cycle instead, or if that isn't possible think about catching a bus. I live next to our village primary school: it's amazing how many people drive their kids to school when they only live a short distance away. Some of them don't even bother switching their engines off while they gossip with their mates at drop off/pick up times, that one really drives me mad...

I started cycling to work regularly about 18 months ago in all weather (@10km each way, up and down a couple of cheeky hills).

Bloke from down our street pulled out ahead of me the other day in his car. Few minutes later about a mile down the road his car was parked up and he was bimbling his way towards Town. The lazy f*cker had saved himself less than a mile of walking.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I appreciate this is just one report, but it is pretty scary.

The headline: Humans can no longer stop Global Warming from intensifying over the next 30 years.

A Hotter Future Is Certain, According to Climate Change Report (msn.com)

Global warming 'unequivocally' human driven, at unprecedented rate: IPCC | | UN News

 

[N1985]

I appreciate this is just one report, but it is pretty scary.

The headline: Humans can no longer stop Global Warming from intensifying over the next 30 years.

A Hotter Future Is Certain, According to Climate Change Report (msn.com)

Global warming 'unequivocally' human driven, at unprecedented rate: IPCC | | UN News

We're absolutely fucked. No way we survive on this planet another 1000 years.

 

[Elbow beards]

I appreciate this is just one report, but it is pretty scary.

The headline: Humans can no longer stop Global Warming from intensifying over the next 30 years.

A Hotter Future Is Certain, According to Climate Change Report (msn.com)

Global warming 'unequivocally' human driven, at unprecedented rate: IPCC | | UN News

And yet there are still people denying it, just like covid.

 

[andyhinch]

And yet there are still people denying it, just like covid.

Probably the same people tbh.

 

[grunge]

The quickest and easiest impact we could make almost overnight would be to impose shipping regulations on the massive container ships.

something like the 16 largest container ships give off more pollution than every car combined, this is mostly down to there being no regulations on international waters about what fuel can be used so they all use cheap shit fuel that kicks out insane levels of pollution.

That being said, there is no easy fix here overall. its been proven there is pretty much zero chance the global population will work together on it.

I personally see our only realistic way out of climate change is by getting Fusion power up and running asap and making sure that no one company/country can hold that technology to ransom and its available to all countries.

that would be abundant clean cheap power for all, and even have entire banks of them powering atmosphere scrubbing to try to reverse the damage we have made.

While waiting for Fusion we need to hit Solar/Wind + gravity power stores hard.

Gravity power stores are really needed for things like Solar / Wind as they are not constant. it uses the excess power produced when sunny/windy and in effect stores that energy by lifting heavy blocks using that power. then using gravity to turn turbines when no sun/wind. there are hydro dams that do this already but new Dam's are not easy and can be very damaging in there own right.

Example of gravity storage.

Wind Turbine Recycling Plus Energy Storage Mashup Is A Green Win-Win

A new wind turbine blade recycling strategy deploys gravity-based energy storage technology for maximum circular economy impact.

cleantechnica.com

 

[west didsblue]

The quickest and easiest impact we could make almost overnight would be to impose shipping regulations on the massive container ships.

something like the 16 largest container ships give off more pollution than every car combined, this is mostly down to there being no regulations on international waters about what fuel can be used so they all use cheap shit fuel that kicks out insane levels of pollution.

That being said, there is no easy fix here overall. its been proven there is pretty much zero chance the global population will work together on it.

I personally see our only realistic way out of climate change is by getting Fusion power up and running asap and making sure that no one company/country can hold that technology to ransom and its available to all countries.

that would be abundant clean cheap power for all, and even have entire banks of them powering atmosphere scrubbing to try to reverse the damage we have made.

While waiting for Fusion we need to hit Solar/Wind + gravity power stores hard.

Gravity power stores are really needed for things like Solar / Wind as they are not constant. it uses the excess power produced when sunny/windy and in effect stores that energy by lifting heavy blocks using that power. then using gravity to turn turbines when no sun/wind. there are hydro dams that do this already but new Dam's are not easy and can be very damaging in there own right.

Example of gravity storage.

Wind Turbine Recycling Plus Energy Storage Mashup Is A Green Win-Win

A new wind turbine blade recycling strategy deploys gravity-based energy storage technology for maximum circular economy impact.

cleantechnica.com

Never knew that about shipping. Found this article which is quite interesting
https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/cargo-container-shipping-carbon-pollution-114721
The first line of the article is a sad indictment of our government's strategy to become a "global trading nation" by increasing our trade with far flung places instead of sourcing goods more locally. For example if the government achieves its aim of joining CPTPP, and through that increases trade with Pacific countries, the amount of shipping will increase rather than reduce, when we should be sourcing more from home producers and from Europe which could use the European rail network. Looks like a long term Brexit "benefit" is to increase carbon emissions rather than reduce them.

 

[mancity1]

Sky news has a climate change program that is on usually after the main news explaining how we are all killing the planet.
Now the same Sky news has just been gushing about some bloke going for a joy ride into space and saying that in the future people going for joy rides into space will be a multi billion pound industry.
As far as I am concerned this dos'nt add up, as my dad used to say you can't run with both the dogs and the hares.
I know sky news are just journalists and basically scum of the earth but this is serious piss taking.

The effect of policy on climate change is to increase the gap between the rich and the poor but as opposed to lockdowns which have the same impact in the sense that they decrease the wealth of the working class on mass and increase the wealth of the elite and divide the public and private sector the climate change policy is intentionally designed to achieve that end.

The only way China and India can bring hundreds of millions out of poverty and prevent millions of early deaths each year from respiratory diseases because they cook using dung is by burning coal to generate electricity as the western world did many years ago and still do in many countries.

That is why those two countries and a number of others are building coal fired power stations over the next twenty years and beyond.

In Australia 80 per cent of our electricity requirements to keep the lights on etc comes from coal and gas and unless we go nuclear that will continue for many decades to come as our country cannot keep the lights on from renewable sources particularly in the cities where 85 per cent of the population live.

We produce 1.3 per cent of the worlds CO2 and won't make a jot of difference to average temperature if we killed all our sheep and cows tomorrow and stopped burning coal and gas to keep us warm and cold enough to survive when required.

It's well known the elite in the main pay lip service to climate change after all many of them have made their fortunes by appealing to the masses taking small amounts from many and choose a lifestyle that is not of a hermit in the main.

Their carbon footprint in well above the average punter in part because they can afford to do so and its not do what I do but do as I say because I am more important than you and my fanbase tells me so.

We can all do our bit and Australia has reduced levels emitted by 20 per cent since 2005 unlike many of the countries cow towing to Paris agreements in name only like New Zealand that has increased levels since 1990 significantly.

 

[grunge]

Sky news has a climate change program that is on usually after the main news explaining how we are all killing the planet.
Now the same Sky news has just been gushing about some bloke going for a joy ride into space and saying that in the future people going for joy rides into space will be a multi billion pound industry.
As far as I am concerned this dos'nt add up, as my dad used to say you can't run with both the dogs and the hares.
I know sky news are just journalists and basically scum of the earth but this is serious piss taking.

Pollution wise Blue Origin is a very minimal impact. they spent a lot of effort making a engine that works with an oxygen/hydrogen mix. there's no Cabron emissions given off.

that being said Im not sure I agree with space joy rides like this. however the tech that is created could well be very useful. the engine they used being one of them.