Jack Grealish

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EJC said:
More than £100m. With him we compete for Europe, without we risk looking over our shoulders. Hence why this deal is so tricky for you - he's worth far more to Villa than he is to Man City.
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City aren't paying £100m. We'd walk away at anything like that. £88m was reported widely, seems about right to me.
 
EJC said:
Lucky contracts exist then; if Villa don't want to sell then he isn't going anywhere no matter how ambitious he is. On that matter, I'd also say it is more ambitious to try and get into the Champions League with Villa and perhaps win an FA Cup than win an inevitable league title with you. Ambition means taking on a challenge, he wouldn't be doing that with you.
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If it’s his ambitious to win things in the next couple of years he’s not doing that with Villa.
 
EJC said:
Lucky contracts exist then; if Villa don't want to sell then he isn't going anywhere no matter how ambitious he is. On that matter, I'd also say it is more ambitious to try and get into the Champions League with Villa and perhaps win an FA Cup than win an inevitable league title with you. Ambition means taking on a challenge, he wouldn't be doing that with you.
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So it’s more ambitious to stay at a team that doesn’t compete for honours and more than likely win nothing than to go to a team, challenge yourself to get into the best team in the league and win honours? Can appreciate you want him to stay but stop talking out of your arse
 
EJC said:
It's simple logic though isn't it. Why would Villa include a release clause of anything under £100 million in a five year deal. The release clause has to be equal to the base price for the selling club or else Villa are agreeing to throw away £20 million or more. Our owners may not be as rich as yours but they aren't stupid.
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Maybe Grealish and his representatives insisted on a reasonable release clause as a condition of signing the contract. He wasn’t spoken of in terms of £80m last summer but he’s just had a very good season.
 
Bluesince88 said:
So it’s more ambitious to stay at a team that doesn’t compete for honours and more than likely win nothing than to go to a team, challenge yourself to get into the best team in the league and win honours? Can appreciate you want him to stay but stop talking out of your arse
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I think this is quite obvious isn't it? Leaving to win inevitable title after title with a super team is a lot easier than building something organic with players of lesser talent. As you lot point out incessantly, it's an awful lot harder and less likely for Villa to finish fourth than for you to win the Champions League or whatever. So why is leaving for easy honours ambitious?
 
EJC said:
Lucky contracts exist then; if Villa don't want to sell then he isn't going anywhere no matter how ambitious he is. On that matter, I'd also say it is more ambitious to try and get into the Champions League with Villa and perhaps win an FA Cup than win an inevitable league title with you. Ambition means taking on a challenge, he wouldn't be doing that with you.
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Oh dear. Whilst I agree with you, unfortunately it’s not the real world. For every Matt Le Tissier or Alan Shearer, there are 250 professional footballers that would go to Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, Liverpool (as it used to be back in the day). If it is true that Jack is having second thoughts and it’s not a straight forward decision, already sets him apart from many.
The reality is that there are several clubs at least ahead of Villa in terms of their development. FFP has closed the door on the accelerated development needed for Villa to make it a remote chance of picking up a trophy at Villa in his career.
There is always a food chain football and occasionally it can be cyclical. For Villa to achieve anything it needs a few clubs to go backwards.
 
EJC said:
I think this is quite obvious isn't it? Leaving to win inevitable title after title with a super team is a lot easier than building something organic with players of lesser talent. As you lot point out incessantly, it's an awful lot harder and less likely for Villa to finish fourth than for you to win the Champions League or whatever. So why is leaving for easy honours ambitious?
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Is this a joke ?
 
The slaughtered lamb said:
Maybe Grealish and his representatives insisted on a reasonable release clause as a condition of signing the contract. He wasn’t spoken of in terms of £80m last summer but he’s just had a very good season.
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£75 million was the fee Man Utd would have had to pay last summer. I'm bored of not getting through with simple logic - Villa wouldn't have added a release clause that meant his value under the new deal was equal to or lower than if he had continued on the previous one until 2023.
 
EJC said:
Havertz was low 70s. Man Utd got cold feet over paying £70 million for Grealish last summer. Chelsea have never approached a £100m fee, nor have Arsenal or Liverpool.
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Pogba was well over £100m with agents fees and that’s a few years ago. According to the Juve chairman about €140m, I think.
 
EJC said:
I think this is quite obvious isn't it? Leaving to win inevitable title after title with a super team is a lot easier than building something organic with players of lesser talent. As you lot point out incessantly, it's an awful lot harder and less likely for Villa to finish fourth than for you to win the Champions League or whatever. So why is leaving for easy honours ambitious?
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That was the thing that struck me about the trophies we won. Isn’t this easy I thought to myself lol.
 
EJC said:
I think this is quite obvious isn't it? Leaving to win inevitable title after title with a super team is a lot easier than building something organic with players of lesser talent. As you lot point out incessantly, it's an awful lot harder and less likely for Villa to finish fourth than for you to win the Champions League or whatever. So why is leaving for easy honours ambitious?
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His ambition is to win things, simple as that. Will he do that with villa, no. Will he do it with city, yes. Pretty straight forward really.
 
EJC said:
I think this is quite obvious isn't it? Leaving to win inevitable title after title with a super team is a lot easier than building something organic with players of lesser talent. As you lot point out incessantly, it's an awful lot harder and less likely for Villa to finish fourth than for you to win the Champions League or whatever. So why is leaving for easy honours ambitious?
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Whats organic about Villa, that isn’t organic about City?
 
EJC said:
£75 million was the fee Man Utd would have had to pay last summer. I'm bored of not getting through with simple logic - Villa wouldn't have added a release clause that meant his value under the new deal was equal to or lower than if he had continued on the previous one until 2023.
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You do realise contracts are a 2 way thing? Maybe Grealish wouldn’t sign a contract with a release clause for £100m. And this £75m United wouldn’t pay, what’s the source for that? Because that’s what you’re basing your argument around.
 
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