Keir Starmer

[Saddleworth2]

Covid has prevented him doing that mostly,
He still is out and engaging with people - but let’s face it , half of voters are as thick as two short planks and half of Labour voters just obsess over having a ‘real socialist’ in charge so they won’t give Staermer a fair chance.
poison chalice.

He needs to do more mate COVID or no COVID.

 

[hilts]

I'm edging towards proportional representation, but beware PR lovers! Far too often that system throws up dogs dinner grey sludge coalition's of yes men and place men that nobody voted for.

Time for something completely new. All wishful thinking mind

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Covid has prevented him doing that mostly,
He still is out and engaging with people - but let’s face it , half of voters are as thick as two short planks and half of Labour voters just obsess over having a ‘real socialist’ in charge so they won’t give Staermer a fair chance.
poison chalice.

When did you conduct your polling?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Time for something completely new. All wishful thinking mind

In opposition Blair flirted with Paddy Pantsdown over PR, then came the 97 landslide and Call me Tony told him to do one.

But what really keeps the Tories in power and has done, on and off, for a century.....

The Liberals.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Covid has prevented him doing that mostly,
He still is out and engaging with people - but let’s face it , half of voters are as thick as two short planks and half of Labour voters just obsess over having a ‘real socialist’ in charge so they won’t give Staermer a fair chance.
poison chalice.

The difference between Labour and the Tories: the daft half of the Tories have total control of the party so the sensible half just keep their mouth shut for the greater good, ie power. With Labour the sensible half have control over the party but the daft half won’t support them thereby making power impossible. It’s tragic and depressing loop we are stuck with in this country and is being exploited by some inept and some downright bad people.

 

[Postman Pep]

The difference between Labour and the Tories: the daft half of the Tories have total control of the party so the sensible half just keep their mouth shut for the greater good, ie power. With Labour the sensible half have control over the party but the daft half won’t support them thereby making power impossible. It’s tragic and depressing loop we are stuck with in this country and is being exploited by some inept and some downright bad people.

Why no mention of the 'sensible' half of the Labour party failing to keep their mouths shut for the greater good under the previous leader?

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Why no mention of the 'sensible' half of the Labour party failing to keep their mouths shut for the greater good under the previous leader?

Exactly. But it’s whataboutery ultimately because it doesn’t change the situation we are in. With a moron doing what he wants.

 

[Postman Pep]

Exactly. But it’s whataboutery ultimately because it doesn’t change the situation we are in. With a moron doing what he wants.

Of course it doesn't but it's a bit rich calling for unity when the 'sensible' faction seems more focused on attacking the left than this shitshow of a government.

 

[Chris in London]

Of course it doesn't but it's a bit rich calling for unity when the 'sensible' faction seems more focused on attacking the left than this shitshow of a government.

No more and no less sensible than the left attacking the ‘sensible’ faction.

There is only one enemy.

 

[Postman Pep]

No more and no less sensible than the left attacking the ‘sensible’ faction.

There is only one enemy.

It works both ways is what I was pointing out. Keep hearing that the grown ups are in charge maybe they should lead by example.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You would think the party that comes second most often would try and change the system.

Personally I have no sympathy for anyone who votes for a party without electoral reform as a policy.

You’ve got to credit the Tories though. You’ve got a system that keeps them almost in perpetual government and they’ve managed to convince their only challengers to that, to keep the very system that ensures they’ll rarely lose.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You’ve got to credit the Tories though. You’ve got a system that keeps them almost in perpetual government and they’ve managed to convince their only challengers to that, to keep the very system that ensures they’ll rarely lose.

It’s very simple. Self-preservation, there is no guarantee that Labour would have as much influence in PR, in fact the numbers suggest the opposite.

The Labour party are happy to be the 2nd biggest party if they have occasional win. Labour politicians on the right and probably some on the hard left are happy to be in opposition as long as they get to keep their opportunity for career and network enhancement.

 

[Vic]

It’s very simple. Self-preservation, there is no guarantee that Labour would have as much influence in PR, in fact the numbers suggest the opposite.

The Labour party are happy to be the 2nd biggest party if they have occasional win. Labour politicians on the right and probably some on the hard left are happy to be in opposition as long as they get to keep their opportunity for career and network enhancement.

Cobblers.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Cobblers.

Why were some prominent officers at Labour HQ unhappy with the 2017 Exit poll?

 

[The perfect fumble]

A price worth paying for driving out and driving down the membership....




Oh! And the humongous legal fees.

 

[johnnytapia]

I miss the old school Labour stuff. I had to study this speech for my English A levels. Was there ever a person more wedded to the use of alliteration than kinnock? Can’t imagine Starmer being this emotional

 

[Vic]

I miss the old school Labour stuff. I had to study this speech for my English A levels. Was there ever a person more wedded to the use of alliteration than kinnock? Can’t imagine Starmer being this emotional

Alliteration? What alliteration?

 

[johnnytapia]

Alliteration? What alliteration?

The Gesture Generals. The Tendency Tacticians.

 

[Vic]

The Gesture Generals. The Tendency Tacticians.

Is that it?

A novice compared to JFK:

"we shall pay any price, bear any burden..." "let us go forth to lead the land we love"


Or MLK Jnr

"Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation..."
"This sweltering summer.."
"The marvelous new militancy..."
"I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations."
"...when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,..."

Or the Alliterator-in-Chief:

“We must choose between greatness or gridlock, results or resistance, vision or vengeance, incredible progress or pointless destruction …”

(Though Trump was lying through his little lips. Literally.)

 

[johnnytapia]

Is that it?

A novice compared to JFK:

"we shall pay any price, bear any burden..." "let us go forth to lead the land we love"


Or MLK Jnr

"Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation..."
"This sweltering summer.."
"The marvelous new militancy..."
"I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations."
"...when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,..."

Or the Alliterator-in-Chief:

“We must choose between greatness or gridlock, results or resistance, vision or vengeance, incredible progress or pointless destruction …”

(Though Trump was lying through his little lips. Literally.)

I did mine from memory (not Google).