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It's used by some to claim UEFA were incompetent. In fact, it not unusual and UEFA believed they had enough...

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It’s so good to have people on here who can explain this legal minefield to us. So thanks again @projectdriver.

 

[SilverFox2]

Just read your article and it’s clear that Harris has used his piece to continue to insinuate that there may still be a huge outcome. Your article seems quite clear and as we all know what CAS made of the previous claim then it‘s hard to see what further evidence could be drawn by the PL, especially as their rules came in much later and to a lesser degree.

The question I asked myself on the 2 articles was, if you had given a factual and experienced view, why was another article by Harris needed? His seemed to be a puff piece, manipulating your thoughts to support his views.

My view was that the PL wanted to keep this hush-hush as they wanted to drop the case quietly if the CAS case went in our favour. I bet they’re fuming now and looking for a way out that City won’t accept.

I think Harris is saying that because we take the "prove your allegations"rather than "see for yourself here's all our emails" approach therefore we must be guilty because we won't prove innocence

Obviously we want most of our correspondace to be private so prefer to say prove it which is how it stands.

Innocent until proven guilty suits me.

 

[M18CTID]

As Stefan said, this could run and run for years. As a comparison, about 18 months ago the Premier League were reported to be investigating Everton over sponsorship of their new stadium. To my knowledge, that investigation hasn’t been concluded one way or another and on the face of it is a much simpler case than ours.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I think Harris is saying that because we take the "prove your allegations"rather than "see for yourself here's all our emails" approach therefore we must be guilty because we won't prove innocence

Obviously we want most of our correspondace to be private so prefer to say prove it which is how it stands.

Innocent until proven guilty suits me.

Suits me as well. One of the big things with all this FFP business is how UEFA and the PL can even request certain documentation. Did this ever happen before prior to FFP, where an individual business could be possibly handing over private information to a competitor?

We know that Gill was thrust to the head of FFP when it looked liked we wouldn’t be sanctioned the first time around and with United and Liverpool personally interviewing the Chairman of the PL, who’s to say that our rivals aren’t possibly privy to our internal business?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It’s a brilliant & knowledgeable article. But as a City fan it seems a gloomy prospect & it didn’t offer much hope of City being the innocent party. It made me think the PL have a case rather than they’ve taken leaked emails out of context. Are our sponsors valid & is the time bar applicable? If so why are the PL pursuing this so vigorously- or is it a lot of hot air??

I guess we’d like some reassurance on the whole matter but nobody seems able to offer any.

or am I missing the point? :(

I think if the PL had a case then things would be moving much more quickly. UEFA turned out not to have a case. After investigating for than 12 months the only evidence they had was a second-hand report of a handful of stolen emails in a discredited German magazine. They didn't even have the actual emails and had to settle for a charge of non-co-operation (which we admitted doing).
It seems unlikely that the PL have any case at all. The investigation is no more than a political witchunt because of the pressure put on PL boss Richard Masters by the other clubs (the hateful eight). If UEFA didn't have any evidence how would the PL. I am sure the PL wants it all to go away. Even Masters, who is a stooge for United and Liverpool after they vetted his recruitment, must be concerned about his reputation.

 

[SilverFox2]

I think if the PL had a case then things would be moving much more quickly. UEFA turned out not to have a case. After investigating for than 12 months the only evidence they had was a second-hand report of a handful of stolen emails in a discredited German magazine. They didn't even have the actual emails and had to settle for a charge of non-co-operation (which we admitted doing).
It seems unlikely that the PL have any case at all. The investigation is no more than a political witchunt because of the pressure put on PL boss Richard Masters by the other clubs (the hateful eight). If UEFA didn't have any evidence how would the PL. I am sure the PL wants it all to go away. Even Masters, who is a stooge for United and Liverpool after they vetted his recruitment, must be concerned about his reputation.

Do you think it suits the clubs who vetted Masters to let it lie as long as possible rather than let it fade away?
They can stir the contents every now and again with regurgitated evidence via the media but know it is a lost cause for the main charge.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Do you think it suits the clubs who vetted Masters to let it lie as long as possible rather than let it fade away?
They can stir the contents every now and again with regurgitated evidence via the media but know it is a lost cause for the main charge.

For me it has always been about a long-running smear campaign to undermine City. When you look at it logically how can you fairly investigate vague allegations that are ten years old. Remember we already admitted breaching FFP rules in those early years when we needed to invest heavily. We agreed a settlement and paid the fine. Then years later allegations surfaced that suggested we may have breached the rules more than UEFA were aware of. Essentially we faced being sanctioned for something we have already been punished for.
It is strange that we were the only club pursued in the UK following the Footy Leaks episode. Those leaks included lots of allegations about other clubs, players, and agents apparently fiddling image rights, avoiding tax, and breaching transfer rules...but City were the only ones to be pursued by the media and UEFA...and now the PL.

 

[Airbags Optional]

So these clubs are progressing the ESL, my question is have they been kicked out if the champions league as I thought that the CL was by invite (as well as league position)?

 

[Norbiton]

So these clubs are progressing the ESL, my question is have they been kicked out if the champions league as I thought that the CL was by invite (as well as league position)?

There’s a court injunction in Spain preventing UEFA taking any disciplinary action for now.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Not sure if posted anywhere else, but...

 

[deano ou812]

Ahhh the media showing no interest at all over these arrests of uefa employees,yet they still keep banging the drum about City and FFP or the hacked e-mails,says it all really…

 

[Heidenreich]

Super League is coming, it's inevitable.

The other big clubs wont let Premier League have a free ride into domination.

I am so against it but I guess the pressure from other big clubs will be too much

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

When’s the first game of the super league season then? I’ve not checked this thread for a few months.

 

[waspish]

Super League is coming, it's inevitable.

The other big clubs wont let Premier League have a free ride into domination.

I am so against it but I guess the pressure from other big clubs will be too much

Yeah a 3 team competition

 

[Gordyola]

For me it has always been about a long-running smear campaign to undermine City. When you look at it logically how can you fairly investigate vague allegations that are ten years old. Remember we already admitted breaching FFP rules in those early years when we needed to invest heavily. We agreed a settlement and paid the fine. Then years later allegations surfaced that suggested we may have breached the rules more than UEFA were aware of. Essentially we faced being sanctioned for something we have already been punished for.
It is strange that we were the only club pursued in the UK following the Footy Leaks episode. Those leaks included lots of allegations about other clubs, players, and agents apparently fiddling image rights, avoiding tax, and breaching transfer rules...but City were the only ones to be pursued by the media and UEFA...and now the PL.

I don't think we "admitted" in fact I'm sure we disputed the change in criteria that UEFA did at the last moment? Khaldoon used the words "we took a pinch" to say that for the greater good City accepted the punishment. IMHO this is why the club have been so determined to defend themselves in subsequent charges

 

[Heidenreich]

Florentino Pérez, Real Madrid President, has just arrived in Barcelona. Juventus CEO Andrea Agnelli has also arrived in the city. Apparently they have plans to make a big offer for the Premier League [cadena ser]

 

[waspish]

Florentino Pérez, Real Madrid President, has just arrived in Barcelona. Juventus CEO Andrea Agnelli has also arrived in the city. Apparently they have plans to make a big offer for the Premier League [cadena ser]

Big offer? If you talking about the super league it ain’t happening all premier clubs have signed a deal that if any club enters a super league they will be fined 20m and docked 30 points! So whatever these clowns are offering is all bluster..

 

[mat]

Big offer? If you talking about the super league it ain’t happening all premier clubs have signed a deal that if any club enters a super league they will be fined 20m and docked 30 points! So whatever these clowns are offering is all bluster..

Indeed.

The PL can tell them to fuck off. Would they really want to lose their domestic power base for a few quid?

 

[Heidenreich]

Indeed.

The PL can tell them to fuck off. Would they really want to lose their domestic power base for a few quid?

I wouldnt call 500.000.000€ Million each Season a few quids.

I think the bigger Problem is that the English Clubs aren't allowed to just leave. The real Penalty Fee is apparently 250 Million. So technically the English Clubs are still in this shite League and Perez isn't allowing them to disband their contracts.

 

[mat]

I wouldnt call 500.000.000€ Million each Season a few quids.

I think the bigger Problem is that the English Clubs aren't allowed to just leave. The real Penalty Fee is apparently 250 Million. So technically the English Clubs are still in this shite League and Perez isn't allowing them to disband their contracts.

The PL won't give up any brand share to allow it to happen. It's the most successful league in Europe. They hold all the cards. It's a PR drive from the dinosaurs of European football who are literally begging for more money because they've Mismanaged their own.