Fast forward 10 years and there are no lorry drivers to pay more.
What we’re witnessing is capitalism reaching its natural end.
There are no more margins to break.
Do we pay people more and are happy to pay for that, or do we want the lowest price possible an exploit workers as much as possible?
As and when robots do most of the mundane jobs, what do the unskilled factory workers do?
Social democracy is the only option I can think that works.
People voted to leave the EU to invoke change as they were struggling with what was being delivered.
Theyre about to find out that the next decades are going to be very hard for most of them.
Then you’re in for a rude awakening. Capitalism uses technology. It uses humans less and less.Mate I’m asking what you want do you want low wage market forces or half decent pay, make a stand their are negatives either way. There is no right answer. I also don’t believe in robots or technology driving lorries or working in supermarkets. Shit heads will put a stop to that.
You still won’t answer the question will you? Also technology is an ideal based on best case scenario. Think about a computer driving a lorry or a bus. It can’t replace human decison making. You might not need a driver as such but you will need human interaction.Then you’re in for a rude awakening. Capitalism uses technology. It uses humans less and less.
It’s close to breaking point. Hence political meltdown.
What question?You still won’t answer the question will you? Also technology is an ideal based on best case scenario. Think about a computer driving a lorry or a bus. It can’t replace human decison making. You might not need a driver as such but you will need human interaction.
Not in Manchester they don’t. You are PM do you follow a policy of market forces ie pay what a business can get away with or pay a decent wage. I’ve asked several times in fairness:-)What question?
Driverless lorries already exist.
I’d look forward and look to see what is to come and try to be ahead of the curve.Not in Manchester they don’t. You are PM do you follow a policy of market forces ie pay what a business can get away with or pay a decent wage. I’ve asked several times in fairness:-)
I’d look forward and look to see what is to come and try to be ahead of the curve.
In all areas.
Lack of manpower means increased wages supply and demand I believe.
I think (2) explains why (1) is not working.I'm just too bloody lazy but I'm glad others can earn a tad more. Get up at 5 sleep in a lay-by. Don't see your family much while getting obese. Good luck to them earning a tad more.
And means delays to journeys which means more drivers needed to move the same amount. And unreliability for backloads, so lots more wagons going empty one way, which means more drivers needed.In part, but the issue is really a lack of bodies. There was a shortage before covid and Brexit. These two events have just made the situation worse.
It's an issue in the EU as well, just not as marked given the UK has lost easy access to a pool of EU drivers.
Prior to Brexit we were plugged into the EU wide supply chains. The introduction of trade barriers obviously impacts our ability to be part of those supply chains.
You'll be out protesting about the army driving lorries then.That’s a classic deflection, are you happy that drivers and in fairness other jobs are now getting higher pay due to shortages in labour? The answer is either yes or no. You either want an employers market or an employees market. It doesn’t make much of a difference to me but as a working class bloke who sees people around me suffering for well over a decade I want a employees market.
This is what I voted for along with population reduction and democracy. You have to decide what you want but accept there will be negatives and a price to pay. There is no nirvana in this world.
some drivers get paid by the Kilometre and those in the EU find it easier to operate in the EU rather than sitting in queues at Dover where they don't get paid. I believe IR35 implications has caused a large number of older lorry drivers to retire as well so there are a lot of forces that have caused the current problems:And means delays to journeys which means more drivers needed to move the same amount. And unreliability for backloads, so lots more wagons going empty one way, which means more drivers needed.
I know it's always a fight, business love a surplus. You don't like your lot sunshine ? Fine there is a big queue ready to take your place.
Currently it's a workers market so tough shit for companies. Personally I would prefer mutual respect but people who like to make money will shit on workers.
People see brexit armageddon I see karma
Well, I'd be happy with from each according to their ability and to each according to their needs.Mate I’m asking what you want do you want low wage market forces or half decent pay, make a stand their are negatives either way. There is no right answer. I also don’t believe in robots or technology driving lorries or working in supermarkets. Shit heads will put a stop to that.
Have you actually done that?As a former truck driver I can earn an extra few quid an hour and walk into a job tomorrow plus remainer angst as a bonus
Winner winner chicken........
Wow. Sounds like you had a wild Saturday night mate. Rock n roll is not dead ;-)I must have had a few too many last night to get dragged back into this thread
Just when I thought I was out they drag me back in:-)
See you next time Jim Beam gets the better of me. God my head hurts.
I have no issue with improved pay and conditions, but the issue is logistics, a lack people to do the work. The same is true of agricultural labour and seasonal work or work in hospitality sectors. There isn’t enough people to do the jobs.
Looks like you enjoyed it at the timeI must have had a few too many last night to get dragged back into this thread
Just when I thought I was out they drag me back in:-)
See you next time Jim Beam gets the better of me. God my head hurts.