Saddleworth2
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I did mention to you the circumstances I would engage in calm chats. Until you attain that, go bang your pots and pans like a good chap Ruprecht.
Yes sir
mancity2012_eamo
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I’m only a visitor in the Scottish thread as I don’t know enough about the workings of the devolved government and I don’t know enough about the feeling on the ground of the Scots themselves. But it’s a thread I always read as I find the situation unraveling fascinating.
My impression of Sturgeon is similar to that of MaryLou over here.
I think perhaps the rest of Britain underestimate her and her appeal at their peril.
So many people seem to see her as a one issue politician and wouldn’t give her a vote because of their historical view of what that issue is, but as with MaryLou in the Republic, the younger generation have no qualms whatsoever about voting for her and Sinn Fein having been let down by the establishment. They don’t carry the same baggage as I or my generation do in voting for them.
I always see an element of this with Sturgeon.
Feel free to put me straight, if I’m wrong.
My impression of Sturgeon is similar to that of MaryLou over here.
I think perhaps the rest of Britain underestimate her and her appeal at their peril.
So many people seem to see her as a one issue politician and wouldn’t give her a vote because of their historical view of what that issue is, but as with MaryLou in the Republic, the younger generation have no qualms whatsoever about voting for her and Sinn Fein having been let down by the establishment. They don’t carry the same baggage as I or my generation do in voting for them.
I always see an element of this with Sturgeon.
Feel free to put me straight, if I’m wrong.
Saddleworth2
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good boy.
mancity2012_eamo
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The last few years have proved that the opinions across a lot of English people can be easily influenced.
Of course the Scots don't like us, but there is nothing sinister in it. It's nothing more than the rivalries of North v South, Lancashire v Yorkshire, Manchester v Liverpool.
I respect Sturgeon, I find her to be a good orator and a savvy politician that Johnson actively avoids engaging with.
She’s a good orator but that’s about where the respect should stop.
Maybe the English public just think differently to you, as a majority, rather than them being easily influenced?
I also think the dislike of the English goes a lot further than those examples you’ve mentioned.
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BobKowalski
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Agreed. I see it as more rivalry than hate. I think it‘s more dislike of England as an entity than the English themselves. It’s a bit like us with the Aussies.
Saddleworth2
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The Scots unequivocally don't hate the English. There are some aspects of English culture and politics that many have a problem with and there are a small number of bigoted individuals that might take that further but to say the Scots hate the English is simplistic in the extreme.. Anyway, back to Scottish politics. Now that vaccine passports have been scrapped in England, I cannot see them surviving here. I think in general I am in favour of them if they encourage some of the youngsters to get the vaccine and we get to the point that we aren't a petri dish for new variants. I suspect Boris has bulleted the concept because of media rather than scientific reasons.
I had a really interesting chat with a guy I shared a boat with on Saturday (you shouldn't really mix fishing and politics). He was adamant he didn't want independence but when quizzed around the status quo he didn't want that either. Undoubtedly Sturgeon will have to do an amazing job at presenting the independence 'plan' to gain votes from the remaining sceptics or it may be a case of better the devil you know. I hope not as I believe we could do better than the present.
BobKowalski
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Honestly, I wouldn’t bet on this...
“No 10 said checks on the vaccine status of people going to nightclubs and other crowded events remained a crucial part of the government’s winter Covid plan due to be unveiled by the prime minister tomorrow.”
Covid vaccine passports can still help defeat winter wave, No 10 insists
Downing Street has insisted that vaccine passports are still a “first-line defence” against a winter wave of Covid-19 after the health secretary said plans to i
www.thetimes.co.uk
blueparrot
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You don't win the elections she has, by the margins she has, or the seats in Westminster she has either by just being a good orator or by being a single issue politician.
Is there dislike of the English in Scotlan, probably, but I haven't come across it in 21 years here, nor have I found it in Sturgeons SNP.
MillionMilesAway
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Cameron's utter bastard act the day after the independence vote, when he pretty much went back on what he'd promised, is not something that is readily going to be forgotten.
Whatever forces pushed him to do it, it was just plain stupid.
Look at some of the people who have been and are UK Prime Minister.
Boris Johnson has an 80 seat majority for goodness sake.
There’s a pathetic Labour Party and Scotland generally has always hated the Tories. She’s riding a wave of being a centre left option kicking it to Westminster.
I won’t mention the corruption or mistakes she’s made as that’s none of my business, as I’m not Scottish and I don’t live there.
Regarding the anti Englishness, it’s hardly Protestant vs Catholic in NI but it’s a lot greater than north vs south banter in England.
I’ve spent a lot of time in Scotland and generally people are great, but there is a certain tone that’s unpleasant at times. I think it’s far more prevalent than discrimination in England to “others”.
blueparrot
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Well, I can't find it.
I’m glad you haven’t but it definitely does exist.
The struggle, that I see anyway, is that no matter whoever is in power or if we’d have remained in the EU, the fact Westminster, the Executive power in the UK, is in England and the majority of MPs are English, the Scottish will never feel they have the right to self determination.
On the other side of the border, some of the English, again in my view, are tired of the constant noise north of the border, especially considering the feeling is the Tories are pandering to the Scottish by giving them more favours than northern England. Some of us feel we’ve got an unfair deal in the current makeup of the union.
Breaking up a nation is always incredibly painful and it’ll likely be much harsher than Brexit… but I think it’s inevitable and I think all four home nations deserve their choice.
Saddleworth2
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I thought Javid kiboshed it yesterday?Honestly, I wouldn’t bet on this...
“No 10 said checks on the vaccine status of people going to nightclubs and other crowded events remained a crucial part of the government’s winter Covid plan due to be unveiled by the prime minister tomorrow.”
Covid vaccine passports can still help defeat winter wave, No 10 insists
Downing Street has insisted that vaccine passports are still a “first-line defence” against a winter wave of Covid-19 after the health secretary said plans to i
Saddleworth2
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Thats because you are a nice level headed dude :-)
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Outside of sports rivalry where the general view of most people in Scotland is ABE, I’ve seen very little of it in other areas, and I’ve spent a lot of time up there with work over the years. There’s much more anti scouse rhetoric in Manchester than anything you see in Scotland about the English unless England are playing any sport.
You ever seen similar to this being held up outside of sport between Liverpool and Manchester?
Of course this is only one small example and doesn’t represent the whole of Scotland but the Scots themselves were worried enough about discrimination growing and it has significantly over recent years.
