Never doubt Pep

Pep's only flaw is messing up in some important games. If he would fix that he would be unstoppable.
There is no manager in the world able to put a great team together and make them play a more beautiful football. Touchel won the CL but with a team he didnt build himself and and PSG he didnt win the CL with a great squad plus cost them the title last season in a garbage league.Touchel is better at preparing for an important game but overall he isnt on the same level with Pep. Chelsea plays some boring football , it may be effective at the moment but its still very boring!!
Just wish Pep would be less stubborn and learn from his mistakes.
Touchel got lucky against us because we played poorly in two games against his team. Let's not make this some alternative reality where he "has Pep's number" or whatever bullshit people say. I've seen plenty of managers who "have Pep's number" with their "tactical masterclasses" come and go over the last five years. Potchetino, Mourinho, Klopp, Solskar...they get a result or two but that's just football.
 
Pep's only flaw is messing up in some important games. If he would fix that he would be unstoppable.
There is no manager in the world able to put a great team together and make them play a more beautiful football. Touchel won the CL but with a team he didnt build himself and and PSG he didnt win the CL with a great squad plus cost them the title last season in a garbage league.Touchel is better at preparing for an important game but overall he isnt on the same level with Pep. Chelsea plays some boring football , it may be effective at the moment but its still very boring!!
Just wish Pep would be less stubborn and learn from his mistakes.
Pep learns from mistakes always has. Thing is people want him to change his personality when he makes mistakes, but what makes him so great is also what leads to mistakes you can’t have one without the other. Being great is because hes always tries things from outside the box, sometimes that fails , not often though.
What you and others are asking for is the 100% perfect manager that person never has never will exist.
Pep is as good as it gets.
 
I'll criticise him for his team selections in big games but a lot of City fans read into a slight on the fans that requires an assumption. They did not give him the benefit of the doubt. If I was Pep I'd be feeling quite hurt by that and I hope he realises that was more error of judgement by one individual.

I think his comments after showed he was quite upset at how gleefully the fans turned on him when given half a chance.
 
The frustrating thing about the two games that he really gets criticised for (Lyon and the Champions League Final) is that I think Pep diagnosed the issue correctly for both games, but his solution didn't pan out.

That Lyon team was exceptional on the counter-attack, and Pep sought to negate that with the setup. We didn't really have the personnel to pull it off, and it didn't work. The same with Chelsea. He knew we pretty much had to score first and so put out a team to do that and then retain possession. This time I think players being out of form really cost us, but I don't think the idea in and of itself was necessarily wrong, just the execution of it.

Pep took a lot of flak for those lineups because they didn't work, and that's fine, that's the job. But he also takes pelters for not changing things or having a Plan B. Basically he gets criticised based entirely on the outcome, rather than what he does or doesn't do.
 
Pep's only flaw is messing up in some important games. If he would fix that he would be unstoppable.
There is no manager in the world able to put a great team together and make them play a more beautiful football. Touchel won the CL but with a team he didnt build himself and and PSG he didnt win the CL with a great squad plus cost them the title last season in a garbage league.Touchel is better at preparing for an important game but overall he isnt on the same level with Pep. Chelsea plays some boring football , it may be effective at the moment but its still very boring!!
Just wish Pep would be less stubborn and learn from his mistakes.

Pep has won 14 of the 16 cup finals he's managed.

Do you realise how stupid it sounds to go about how someone with a nearly 90% success rate in finals just needs to fix his approach in big games?
 
I think his comments after showed he was quite upset at how gleefully the fans turned on him when given half a chance.
Maybe a few individuals and attention seekers turned on him and as individuals narked him, the vast majority of them though he’d know nothing about what they think because doubt he looks at much social media or forums.
The fans in the grounds in the real world have never left him in any doubt at all of their support of him so don’t think he’d be that upset.
 
The frustrating thing about the two games that he really gets criticised for (Lyon and the Champions League Final) is that I think Pep diagnosed the issue correctly for both games, but his solution didn't pan out.

That Lyon team was exceptional on the counter-attack, and Pep sought to negate that with the setup. We didn't really have the personnel to pull it off, and it didn't work. The same with Chelsea. He knew we pretty much had to score first and so put out a team to do that and then retain possession. This time I think players being out of form really cost us, but I don't think the idea in and of itself was necessarily wrong, just the execution of it.

Pep took a lot of flak for those lineups because they didn't work, and that's fine, that's the job. But he also takes pelters for not changing things or having a Plan B. Basically he gets criticised based entirely on the outcome, rather than what he does or doesn't do.

The best example of this is the Liverpool CL tie, where to this day, people still pretend like Gundogan playing on the right lost us the game.

Did Gundgoan being on the right make Fernandinho fall over in the box and gift them an opener? No.

Did Gundogan being on the right stop the defence and midfield from closing down Oxlade-Chamberlain as he ran 20 yards through the middle of the pitch winding up for a shot? No.

But we've had to hear about how that selection cost us the match for 5 years.
 
When he eventually decides to move on and we tot up the countless trophies he's led us to, his long term legacy to the club (And english football) is the style of football he's brought to these shores.

The way our academy structures it's whole output to eventually support the first team (Either though players making it to the 1st team or being sold to finance marquee signings) is nothing short of remarkable since the takeover.
 
I don't question Pep, he is a genius of his style. The problem is possession football is on the way out, being solid and playing with physical intensity trumps technique and controlling the game. The team with the ball has the fear.
 
I don't question Pep, he is a genius of his style. The problem is possession football is on the way out, being solid and playing with physical intensity trumps technique and controlling the game. The team with the ball has the fear.
People have said that since he arrived, no not quite, since Klopp arrived. So how many trophies has Peps possesion football won in that time versus Klopp and his physical intense football ?
The team with the ball has fear was a big Mourinho tactic, hows he doing recently versus Peps football. Now they say it about Touchel and Chelsea.
 
I don't question Pep, he is a genius of his style. The problem is possession football is on the way out, being solid and playing with physical intensity trumps technique and controlling the game. The team with the ball has the fear.
Seems a slight oversimplification. The only team in the top six for average possession this season that isn't also in the top six of the table is Leeds. Controlling the ball is still the best route to success
 
I'll doubt him when I feel like it, nobody is perfect and sometimes he fucks up, as we all do.
Different things though, of course he does and whatever manager we have in the future will too. The question is whether that means we should doubt that he is the best manager for us now. His record says to me there is no reason anyone should doubt that. He’ll make mistakes over the next two years as well I can 100% predict that, not a reason to doubt him though.
 
Touchel got lucky against us because we played poorly in two games against his team. Let's not make this some alternative reality where he "has Pep's number" or whatever bullshit people say. I've seen plenty of managers who "have Pep's number" with their "tactical masterclasses" come and go over the last five years. Potchetino, Mourinho, Klopp, Solskar...they get a result or two but that's just football.
Pep played a weakened team in the FA Cup and the home league game and Chelsea took advantage. Pep made an error of judgement for the final but I also think the players were below par. He didn't send them out to play shit but for some reason they did. Saturday is a huge test for Pep. Looking at the injuries and the fact that Chelsea have started the season better than us I'd take a draw right now.
 
Pep played a weakened team in the FA Cup and the home league game and Chelsea took advantage. Pep made an error of judgement for the final but I also think the players were below par. He didn't send them out to play shit but for some reason they did. Saturday is a huge test for Pep. Looking at the injuries and the fact that Chelsea have started the season better than us I'd take a draw right now.
Yes Pep made an error thats true and yes the players were below par too, which is a shame because I don’t think Chelsea were that great either. All ifs now but if Foden or Mahrez had scored their chances , I’m not sure chelsea had another goal in them.
Agree though chelsea looking decent and injuries would make a draw a good result.
 
Different things though, of course he does and whatever manager we have in the future will too. The question is whether that means we should doubt that he is the best manager for us now. His record says to me there is no reason anyone should doubt that. He’ll make mistakes over the next two years as well I can 100% predict that, not a reason to doubt him though.

As I don't doubt that as only a fool would, but I would never dismiss doubting him sometimes, if I felt the need too.
 
People have said that since he arrived, no not quite, since Klopp arrived. So how many trophies has Peps possesion football won in that time versus Klopp and his physical intense football ?
The team with the ball has fear was a big Mourinho tactic, hows he doing recently versus Peps football. Now they say it about Touchel and Chelsea.

I think this Touchel system at Chelsea will have a relatively short shelf life, similar to when they won the league with Mourinho and Conte. Defenders concentration will wane and the forwards will get fed up sprinting up and back to stand on the toes of their full back. Same thing happened at Liverpool. But while they're on this high they have the ability to win big games and the CL. For our style to work in these intense moments we'd need prime Xavi & Iniesta pretty much never giving the ball away, too risky otherwise. I feel that the likes of Gundogan are very tentative in these games so that Mourinho quote came to mind.

We now have three league rivals who will approach games with us intent on having 35% possession and launching ICBMs down the flanks to their pacy men, simplicity itself. People go on about Touchel having Pep's number but forget that Lampard did us with an identical performance, and that with rubbish like Willian and Barkley rather than £70m signings.
 
So much made of CL game decisions not working out. Not enough made of the games where his tweaks do work out.

Gnashing of teeth over Messi and Ronaldo but Pep was always the big prize.

As long as we have him we have a chance of winning every trophy.

This ^

No manager is ever going to win every single game but Pep comes closer than most and our trophy haul with him speaks for itself.
Anyone wishing for a change of manager should look at that shower down the road as to what could happen. It's not the money that gets consistent results out of the team it's Pep's leadership and passion.
 

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