Newcastle United Thread - 2021/22

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If United or Liverpool we’re owned by the US Government, would they be constantly referred to as American State owned clubs by the media? I doubt it very much. Would the US Governments human rights record be brought up? I doubt it very much. Would any related sponsorship deal be brought up? I doubt it very much. Luckily for United and Liverpool, they are only owned by dodgy American Billionaires.
 
Question. Is a member of the Toon army wearing a tea towel:
A. Celebrating the take over? Or
B. Shouting ya boo sucks to those filthy arabs? Or
C. Just a bit of a wally?
 
Metalartin said:
Yeah I suppose a lot of fans do describe them as American owned clubs but the distinction doesn't need to be made as much there. I think because City continue to be held to a different standard of scrutiny, the Athletic were trying to push the state owned narrative there(drawing parallels to the Saudi's owning Newcastle). It's not like it would take too much effort from the author to make the correct distinction. Nor would City be being unreasonable by asking them to do so.

Not that me complaining will change anything. I suppose the best thing to do as a fan, since City aren't interested in tackling it directly, is to continue to correct them where we can and not get too wound up by it.
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Who actually owns City? All these years and I have never actually bothered to look up City's ownership structure until now. I know Al Mubarak is the chairman and the face of the City board. What's Sheikh Mansour's role at City? He is listed as the founder of CFG but it also says he's the deputy PM of UAE, a member of the royal family and of course a billionaire? Is he just hands off figure head type? It sounds like people are using his status in Emirati society to peddle the state-owned digs at your club.
 
Vialli98 said:
Who actually owns City? All these years and I have never actually bothered to look up City's ownership structure until now. I know Al Mubarak is the chairman and the face of the City board. What's Sheikh Mansour's role at City? He is listed as the founder of CFG but it also says he's the deputy PM of UAE, a member of the royal family and of course a billionaire? Is he just hands off figure head type? It sounds like people are using his status in Emirati society to peddle the state-owned digs at your club.
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Like all his companies he puts the people in charge to run it like a business and like all his companies he bought us to make money and he ain’t put 1p in to our club for at least 5/6 years!
 
So how is it legal to block sponsorship deals ?

Can't Newcastle just go to cat and court and just easily win.
 
Ric said:
The Court of Arbitration for Sport explicitly said that City and Etihad were not considered to be related parties, but for some reason The Guardian continue to perpetuate the myth.
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"Affairs" between Pl, UEFA and City have never been based on rules or the law but on the kind of fear that sees yesterday's clear attempt to halt the geordies in their tracks. Yesterday's vote suggests very strongly that there is a clear division between the PL and its member clubs which first came to light when the PL waved the Newcastle takeover through without consulting the club. It is only my opinion but I suspect that the negotiations leading to the takeover being accepted raised the real fear that any blocking of the deal would lead to legal action against the PL for anti competitive activity and even for acting as a cartel and I suspect as well that the PL's own advice was that there was a very real possibility that the action would succeed, at ruinous expense in both costs and fines.

Legal niceties seem to cut little ice with the clubs who seem to have scant respect for the law anyway and so they decide to do things the ..... way and bring in another rule to nobble Newcastle. This seems to see any deal with any Saudi as "related", which might alarm UEFA, but even ruling out those deals which are genuinely related is clearly unlawful. And the Saudis would be in a very strong position to argue that this rule is taken by a cartel (all 18 who voted in favour!) to limit further the rights of the club to invest because another cartel (UEFA!) had introduced other unlawful regulations to limit the rights of owners to invest directly.

Only my suspicion again but we could see a deal between Newcastle, the PL and UEFA which sees Newcastle submitting a business plan envisaging quite lavish spending for four years and then a return to "breaking even". And that's the last we'll hear of it. The geordies might get their place in the sun, their lawyers won't need to smash any domestic or European football regulations and UEFA can either expand the CL to keep certain English clubs happy or even ditch the Yanks. But one thing is certain, wealthy Arab owners are a real nightmare for Brits and Europeans alike, and they're not going away.
 
Vialli98 said:
Who actually owns City? All these years and I have never actually bothered to look up City's ownership structure until now. I know Al Mubarak is the chairman and the face of the City board. What's Sheikh Mansour's role at City? He is listed as the founder of CFG but it also says he's the deputy PM of UAE, a member of the royal family and of course a billionaire? Is he just hands off figure head type? It sounds like people are using his status in Emirati society to peddle the state-owned digs at your club.
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Mansour is the deputy pm of the uae, if Dominic Raab owned a football club and he is Mansour’s U.K. equivalent, would that said football club be state owned by the United Kingdom?
 
Vialli98 said:
Who actually owns City? All these years and I have never actually bothered to look up City's ownership structure until now. I know Al Mubarak is the chairman and the face of the City board. What's Sheikh Mansour's role at City? He is listed as the founder of CFG but it also says he's the deputy PM of UAE, a member of the royal family and of course a billionaire? Is he just hands off figure head type? It sounds like people are using his status in Emirati society to peddle the state-owned digs at your club.
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Sheikh Mansour to me, seems more of a businessman than he is politician. All the roles in government, as I understand it, were given to him by his higher ranking family members, in support roles(to his older brothers) rather than leadership roles.

ADUG is his own investments vehicle, for his personal business portfolio which was used to purchase City. I don't think he is that hands on as City owner(Khaldoon does more of that) but he owns and controls all of it, so the big decisions will have to go through him I expect. He also heads IPIC which is Abu Dhabi's state investments fund. As well as being the chairman of the Emirates Investment Authority(the sovereign wealth fund of the UAE).

If it was a state project, I don't think it would have gone through anyone's private investment fund like ADUG. As you can see from the above, Abu Dhabi could easily have used one of their own investments funds if that were the case. I also don't think it would make sense for Sheikh Mansour to be the owner, if it was a political move. The Crown Prince and also the President of the UAE both reside in Abu Dhabi. Khaldoon would likely have still been made chairman in a state ownership scenario.

In 2008, there was no reason to "disguise ownership" either. FFP hadn't even been drafted yet, it doesn't and was never going to forbid state ownership. Qatar became the majority owner of PSG in 2011. So there was never any reason to "disguise it" as some journalists have theorised(because the facts didn't fit with what they were saying, they needed a conspiracy). Obviously, there are links there with Sheikh Mansour and "the Etihad project" is in the interest of Abu Dhabi because they really do want that airline to be successful but the club itself wasn't bought as a sportswashing project for Abu Dhabi.
 
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If any other Saudi billionaire wants a real challenge, then buy my team and if anybody has a problem with it they can fuck off. It will be interesting to see who takes the job, as Bruce is a dinosaur with a funny nose and is obviously getting let go. If i were a good football manager, i think i would leave it a season or two. I am hearing Rogers is being touted for it, along with Gerrard who for me is a bigger risk. Be an interesting time to be a Geordie, which is probably the first time in the history of our species that has ever happened.
 
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Mansour is the deputy pm of the uae, if Dominic Raab owned a football club and he is Mansour’s U.K. equivalent, would that said football club be state owned by the United Kingdom?
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Jesus christ. A football team run by Dominic Raab..... That's frightening. He'd probably express surprise in his first interview as owner that a football is round.
 
Heidenreich said:
So how is it legal to block sponsorship deals ?

Can't Newcastle just go to cat and court and just easily win.
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City won our case at CAS because we argued that there was no evidence at all that we had broken FFP and CAS found in our favour. We did not wish to argue that FFP itself was unlawful. Newcastle could go to CAS and argue that FFP allows the determination of "fair value" for related party deals but the PL could counter by arguing that several countries have their own rules which are stricter than UEFA's FFP and CAS may very well accept that, especiall as UEFA seemed to take a very generous view of market value in the case of PSG and the Qatari tourist board. They may not be so generous with Newcastle! In which case Newcastle may have to broaden its case against PL into an attack on ant-competitive grounds and this would be a case of commercial law and probably have to go ECJ, where it could end up anyway. This could, and probably would, broaden into a case in which UEFA's FFP was questioned. I doubt UEFA or the PL would really want that.
 
Vialli98 said:
Who actually owns City? All these years and I have never actually bothered to look up City's ownership structure until now. I know Al Mubarak is the chairman and the face of the City board. What's Sheikh Mansour's role at City? He is listed as the founder of CFG but it also says he's the deputy PM of UAE, a member of the royal family and of course a billionaire? Is he just hands off figure head type? It sounds like people are using his status in Emirati society to peddle the state-owned digs at your club.
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City is a wholly owned subsidiary of CFG. CFG is owned 77% by ADUG, 13% by Chinese Media Group and 10% by Silver Lake.
ADUG is an investment fund owned and managed by Sheik Mansour, but we do not know any details. The Chinese media group is exactly that, several media owners in consortium. Silver Lake is an American investment vehicle, worth looking up to see the connections it gives us.
Much misunderstanding of Mansour's title. He is AbuDhabi's rep on a UAE body on which each emirate has a seat. I forget the name of the body, but it is advisory only and has no Executive power. It is a seat on this body, plus being the bro of the Ruler of UAE, that Mansour's title stands. It is largely a courtesy title. He has no direct gov power but sits on or chairs important state enterprises.
The effective gov of UAE is the Executive Council on which Mansour does not sit. Similar structure for Abu Dhabi.
 
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