COP26

inbetween said:
I actually don't see climate change as the most immediate threat because we can come up with strategies to mitigate the worst of its effects. Things like severe weather, greater sea levels etc can all be somewhat mitigated and it's a slow change that will happen progressively over a long period.

What is never discussed at these conferences though is the real problem and that's the destruction of the natural environment. For example, people keep going on that we'll be able to give up meat and eat insects to reduce Co2, however the fact is that insect populations have declined by over 40% in just 30 years! In 50 years time there will be no insects left.

I think you can see it on this forum where the irony of it all is we moan about climate change but then we moan about the price of houses and how we need to build more of them which destroys the environment further.

With all of this in mind it's obvious why it isn't going to work because we are too busy thinking about how much electric cars will cost instead of thinking how we can do without having a car at all. Again it's ironic that Prince William passed on getting the Range Rover built up the road to his Earthshot conference but he happily took an £80k electric Audi. This is an Audi that was no doubt built in a carbon guzzling factory in Germany, sent on a carbon guzzling ship to his front door. Why didn't he just get the train?

Perhaps the only way technology will save us is thanks to people like Elon Musk who acknowledges the planet is eventually going to be stuffed so he's coming up with as many ways as possible to get us off it....

www.pnas.org

Vertebrates on the brink as indicators of biological annihilation and the sixth mass extinction

The ongoing sixth mass extinction may be the most serious environmental threat to the persistence of civilization, because it is irreversible. Thousands of populations of critically endangered vertebrate animal species have been lost in a century, indicating that the sixth mass extinction is...
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The world's insect populations are plummeting everywhere we look | Natural History Museum

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UK has 'led the world' in destroying the natural environment | Natural History Museum

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I was only reading about a local initiative for green spaces this week

I completely agree about the building of houses n’all. The population of this country doesn’t need to get bigger, we don’t want increase in immigration added to the birth>death rate that’s already here because all it will do is destroy more natural habitats and ecosystems to house them all.

If anything we need to be reducing our population.
 
lazerblue said:
it only takes a couple of minutes to fill my gas guzzler up for a week, if you think the queues for petrol were bad wait until youv'e got people looking to charge their cars up if they don't have a charging point at home when theres about 40million cars on the road. It's all well and good if they sort out the infrastructure but there doesn't seem to be any rush at the moment
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Long term, i think cars should be a thing of the past in cities. Unless you drive for a living, or have a disability, nobody living in a city should need a car. The investment, initiatives and inventions should be geared towards Green public transport city-wide, a cycle road network, walking highways… not electric cars.

Since getting rid of my car 18 months or so ago, I’ve not missed it at all. Public transport Manchester is bobbins but I still don’t need a car to get around, get to work and back (4.5miles I just cycle/run/walk and sometimes get the bus), go shopping etc. Nobody needs a car anywhere near as much as they think they do.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Long term, i think cars should be a thing of the past in cities. Unless you drive for a living, or have a disability, nobody living in a city should need a car. The investment, initiatives and inventions should be geared towards Green public transport city-wide, a cycle road network, walking highways… not electric cars.

Since getting rid of my car 18 months or so ago, I’ve not missed it at all. Public transport Manchester is bobbins but I still don’t need a car to get around, get to work and back (4.5miles I just cycle/run/walk and sometimes get the bus), go shopping etc. Nobody needs a car anywhere near as much as they think they do.
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Totally agree. I live in London and it's staggering the amount of traffic on the roads when public transport is as frequent and wide reaching as it is. Using my mates as a sample, it feels like so many people use their car because it's seen as a significant investment, therefore has to be used to get value out of it, regardless of how short/unnecessary that trip might be. Hopefully the new ULEZ restrictions here have an impact.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Long term, i think cars should be a thing of the past in cities. Unless you drive for a living, or have a disability, nobody living in a city should need a car. The investment, initiatives and inventions should be geared towards Green public transport city-wide, a cycle road network, walking highways… not electric cars.

Since getting rid of my car 18 months or so ago, I’ve not missed it at all. Public transport Manchester is bobbins but I still don’t need a car to get around, get to work and back (4.5miles I just cycle/run/walk and sometimes get the bus), go shopping etc. Nobody needs a car anywhere near as much as they think they do.
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Good points PC its always a question of change , cars are convenient , the oldest child looks forward to one partly because their friends have one and their is always that holiday to the countryside and that rotten weather that stops you from a wait or delay that a car basically avoids.

Somehow however their are too many globalists and elites and bankers and the list goes on that have a vested interest in having as many city dwellers as possible driving an electric car because its " better for the environment " but they fail to look at the slave labour and death and destruction that is caused at getting the cobalt and lithium currently needed for some of the components needed to make the vehicle.

All I can do is laugh at those greens in the world that used to genuinely care and lobby around these issues that now are more interested in their iphone and " climate change dogma " than they are in man's inhumanity to man and the environment and doing anything constructive to address it.

When someone working in a telemarketing company asking for a small donation each day to help a starving baby gets through to one because they mistakenly think its from a fellow climate extinction nob they quickly hang up and return to their latte and avocado.
 
BobKowalski said:
Culling people is a difficult policy to sell.
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Invest in condoms or learn the lessons of the best porn stars in the name of capitalism Bob?

Might be better a tack for the eco system than investing in green hydrogen who knows.

I note that Qatar did their bit for halting population growth in building the infrastructure for the 22 World Cup and have a poor record on woman's rights and homosexuality and the hypocrites will flock to the tournament as opposed to banning their teams from attending so maybe getting the Chinese to fund the next 8 World Cups in developing nations might be an idea as the World won't cry poor despite the cull.
 
inbetween said:
I actually don't see climate change as the most immediate threat because we can come up with strategies to mitigate the worst of its effects. Things like severe weather, greater sea levels etc can all be somewhat mitigated and it's a slow change that will happen progressively over a long period.
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Not sure that works for everyone. Look at somewhere like Mumbai. Mumbai has 12m people all living around a flat coastal plane.
 
mancity1 said:
Invest in condoms or learn the lessons of the best porn stars in the name of capitalism Bob?

Might be better a tack for the eco system than investing in green hydrogen who knows.

I note that Qatar did their bit for halting population growth in building the infrastructure for the 22 World Cup and have a poor record on woman's rights and homosexuality and the hypocrites will flock to the tournament as opposed to banning their teams from attending so maybe getting the Chinese to fund the next 8 World Cups in developing nations might be an idea as the World won't cry poor despite the cull.
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Congratulations. That might be one of the most poorly constructed sentences ever written.
 
mancity1 said:
Invest in condoms or learn the lessons of the best porn stars in the name of capitalism Bob?

Might be better a tack for the eco system than investing in green hydrogen who knows.

I note that Qatar did their bit for halting population growth in building the infrastructure for the 22 World Cup and have a poor record on woman's rights and homosexuality and the hypocrites will flock to the tournament as opposed to banning their teams from attending so maybe getting the Chinese to fund the next 8 World Cups in developing nations might be an idea as the World won't cry poor despite the cull.
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The best way is to improve public health care (including access to abortion) and infant mortality. Then education for women, giving them opportunities outside of getting married and having kids.

Fertility rate in UK is 1.58, the lowest post war rate and below the rate necessary to balance deaths. This low rate is standard across most developed countries. This unbalances the population - too many oldies, not enough young ‘uns.

The world population growth is around 1% which is half of what it was 50 years ago. This reduction is driven by a decrease in global poverty levels and better public health.
 
BobKowalski said:
The best way is to improve public health care (including access to abortion) and infant mortality. Then education for women, giving them opportunities outside of getting married and having kids.

Fertility rate in UK is 1.58, the lowest post war rate and below the rate necessary to balance deaths. This low rate is standard across most developed countries. This unbalances the population - too many oldies, not enough young ‘uns.

The world population growth is around 1% which is half of what it was 50 years ago. This reduction is driven by a decrease in global poverty levels and better public health.
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I should have said that the world fertility rate has halved in the last 50 years and this reduction is driven by a decrease in global poverty and better public health.

World population growth is also half at 1%.
 
BobKowalski said:
The best way is to improve public health care (including access to abortion) and infant mortality. Then education for women, giving them opportunities outside of getting married and having kids.

Fertility rate in UK is 1.58, the lowest post war rate and below the rate necessary to balance deaths. This low rate is standard across most developed countries. This unbalances the population - too many oldies, not enough young ‘uns.

The world population growth is around 1% which is half of what it was 50 years ago. This reduction is driven by a decrease in global poverty levels and better public health.
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All correct and things like better warning systems and disaster management are saving lives as well despite an increase in extreme weather events.

We are growing in population from a larger base each year however so the percentages are skewed somewhat in real terms and infrastructure and wage growth have declined in many developed countries in real terms in the past 20 years which also impacts on fertility due to a rise in migration but a fall in per capita GDP.

Compare the average age of death now especially in developed countries to pre industrial revolution days even from the early 1900's to that from when man its forms then first stepped on the planet and was essentially part of the animal kingdom who once having bred was perished.

Science and technology and research have been the main drivers and maybe in the coming century cures for many cancers , neurological diseases and developments in AI will mean lifespans we would never have dreamed of when we were born.

Ironically the very things that have ensured a better quality of life for the billions of people throughout the world are the things the global community with a few exceptions are saying we need to phase out.
 
BobKowalski said:
Is the radio station promoting this as a positive? Is the plan, ‘look at the twats we employ and tune in’?

To be fair, it is comedy gold.
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Surely this bloke is a poor mans Tommy Cooper in disguise without the Fez.

I thought he was going to add the concrete will grow in the hot weather when it expands.
 
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