Coronavirus (2021) thread

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bobbyowenquiff said:
I fundamentally agree with this. I have had all my jabs and will get a booster. I have also had Covid (thankfully a mild dose). I don't agree with those who don't want to have the vaccine but I respect their right to make that choice. If they decide not to be jabbed then they will inevitably face travel restrictions as a consequence. But I don't agree with what is happening in Germany and Austria. It is bullying and sowing division in communities. I got Covid after being jabbed and so the idea that only unvaccinated people can transmit it is just false.
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Your last point, it’s less likely you pass on, surely that’s the main thing.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I fundamentally agree with this. I have had all my jabs and will get a booster. I have also had Covid (thankfully a mild dose). I don't agree with those who don't want to have the vaccine but I respect their right to make that choice. If they decide not to be jabbed then they will inevitably face travel restrictions as a consequence. But I don't agree with what is happening in Germany and Austria. It is bullying and sowing division in communities. I got Covid after being jabbed and so the idea that only unvaccinated people can transmit it is just false.
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I agree, in essence, but there is limited capacity in hospitals, everywhere, so the time is coming where doctors might have to prioritise who receives emergency care, and ethically that is going to be made particularly difficult in such circumstances.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/01/ration-ventilators-beds-coronavirus/

Some countries have long since passed the point where the only consequences for individuals are the inconvenience of travel restrictions or forking out for their own tests, and the divisions in society are already there.

Part of the problem is that countries have shied away from discussing the harsh realities of what awaits when cases rise so quickly and capacity breaks.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
So is allowing the voluntary unvaccinated to fill up the hospital beds and take resources away from others. It's a difficult situation but in this particular case I'd be tempted to follow Austria's route.
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I would accept your view much more easily, if as we've already established, many vaccinated people weren't also in hospital.

Anyway, I've had my no doubt soon to be biannual covid booster jab today, wish me luck!

Ihre, papieren bitte!
 
hammocity said:
Too many thick cunts on Facebook spreading shite, you can’t compare a drug that failed 60 years ago to todays science and research. Thalidomide is still used btw, very powerful drug that has its uses even in this day and age.
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If you read my comment I clearly stated that it was an ott example, just making it clear for anyone in doubt. If you're suggesting that I'm a 'thick cvnt' for making any comparison, then there is no point in debating with you.
 
daveiw01 said:
I would accept your view much more easily, if as we've already established, many vaccinated people weren't also in hospital.

Anyway, I've had my no doubt soon to be biannual covid booster jab today, wish me luck!

Ihre, papieren bitte!
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Yes, some vaccinated people are in hospital. Vaccination isn't 100% protection. However, research has shown you're many more times likely to be in hospital if you're unvaccinated (17 times more likely if I remember correctly from text I quoted earlier) and 35 more times more likely to require intensive care.

Good luck with the booster!
 
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bobbyowenquiff said:
I do think research has been done on how easy it is to transmit Covid (jabbed or unjabbed) and I think the jury is still out on the issue. However it does seem very clear that jabbed people who get Covid don't get as seriously ill as the unjabbed. So the argument about extra strain on the NHS from those who are unjabbed is probably valid. That said my family members who work in the NHS tell me the beds crisis is mostly down to shortage of beds and staff and Covid is essentially being used as a smokescreen for a broader NHS crisis.
Covid has been a very divisive issue but I think the truth, as is always the case, seems to lie somewhere in the middle of the debate.
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Fair point, well made. I would like a lot more information and guarantees of efficacy etc prior to even considering the Draconian measures put forward in Austria and soon to be, Germany.

Too many people want to jump on the 'lock them up' or 'force them' bandwagon with relatively little information either to the efficacy of the vaccines or the medium to long time side effects.

As I asked earlier, how would you feel having forced people to take the jab, only to find out in the future that there are some unforeseen, nasty complications and resultant deaths? I'm not suggesting for a single second that that will be the outcome obviously, just making it clear that nothing is clear cut.
 
daveiw01 said:
If you read my comment I clearly stated that it was an ott example, just making it clear for anyone in doubt. If you're suggesting that I'm a 'thick cvnt' for making any comparison, then there is no point in debating with you.
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Don’t get so personal, I wasn’t including you in my missive, just the general Facebook population that has its fair share of thick cunts, apologies though, obviously a bit ambiguous.
 
BlueAnorak said:
The NHS problem at the moment is dealing with patients who haven't had other stuff sorted over the last two years due to Covid and it becomes semi-serious or serious and then folks have to be admitted.
Hence the ambulance shortages etc.
Hospitals may have had 35k Covid patients at the peak in January but there just isn't the room now leaving around 15k-18k beds free max now.
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The ambulance problem is the dicks who phone up with a stubbed toe and ask for an ambulance, you only have to watch the numerous tv programs to see that we have become a nation of self entitled twats. Amazing that in first lockdown that A&E was quiet because people were afraid to go for minor crap, screen the calls tell them they ain’t getting an ambulance unless their leg is hanging off and get a taxi.
 
hammocity said:
Too many thick cunts on Facebook spreading shite, you can’t compare a drug that failed 60 years ago to todays science and research. Thalidomide is still used btw, very powerful drug that has its uses even in this day and age.
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Im pro vaxx and have have both of mine, but much more recent in 2010 and not really spoke about was the swine flu vaccine that was forced on certain groups of people. That is now proven to cause narcolepsy and people are being paid out. You can’t be 100% certain this vaccine is safe, so people should have a choice in my opinion.
 
grunge said:
If there was any doubt about masks. and there are some anti maskers on here.



www.forbes.com

Mask Wearing Linked To 53% Cut In New Covid-19 Cases—It’s The Best Public Health Measure Against The Virus, Study Finds

The measure has been a flashpoint during the pandemic, but researchers say it’s more effective than handwashing and physical distancing at reducing the incidence of Covid-19.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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It’s a shockingly bad way to report something that doesn’t say anything like the ‘story’ pretends it does. Read the actual paper it quotes and then work out what it says. And when you’ve done that, look at this.
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This is part of the mandatory training for Infection Prevention Control and think how many mask wearers do any of those things, let alone all of them.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Im pro vaxx and have have both of mine, but much more recent in 2010 and not really spoke about was the swine flu vaccine that was forced on certain groups of people. That is now proven to cause narcolepsy and people are being paid out. You can’t be 100% certain this vaccine is safe, so people should have a choice in my opinion.
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what if 70% of population didn’t want the vaccine … the death toll and the burden on the NHS would be astronomical
 
BlueHammer85 said:
what if 70% of population didn’t want the vaccine … the death toll and the burden on the NHS would be astronomical
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...and what if in the future we realise that people vaccinated have increased their chance of cancer or some other disease/problem? Things aren't black and white and the sooner you personally realise that, the better! More people currently die of cancer per day than Covid19.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Im pro vaxx and have have both of mine, but much more recent in 2010 and not really spoke about was the swine flu vaccine that was forced on certain groups of people. That is now proven to cause narcolepsy and people are being paid out. You can’t be 100% certain this vaccine is safe, so people should have a choice in my opinion.
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That's a false assumption. The narcolepsy was occured days after the jab. There is not a single bad side effect in the history of vaccination that occurred later than 14 days after a jab. It's nonsense. The mRNA is very instabile thus the high requirements for storage. It's disappeared literally in hours from your body. There is no way it can harm with effects after it disappeared. This is not some barely understood technology no matter what you got told.
 
daveiw01 said:
...and what if in the future we realise that people vaccinated have increased their chance of cancer or some other disease/problem? Things aren't black and white and the sooner you personally realise that, the better! More people currently die of cancer per day than Covid19.
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This is pure nonsense and you're threatening the health of others spreading it.
If cancer would be infectious, you would see a lockdown tomorrow. Also, the death toll of COVID is low because of vaccination and lockdowns. That is some ready understandable fact.
 
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I already explained why. It never happened, it won't happen in the future because it's impossible.
 
Blue Maverick said:
The ambulance problem is the dicks who phone up with a stubbed toe and ask for an ambulance, you only have to watch the numerous tv programs to see that we have become a nation of self entitled twats. Amazing that in first lockdown that A&E was quiet because people were afraid to go for minor crap, screen the calls tell them they ain’t getting an ambulance unless their leg is hanging off and get a taxi.
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This exists all the time.
Sadly the 2 year pandemic induced lag of sorting non covid case medical conditions in the pandemic is a thing.
 
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