He was still a fringe choice. He spent 4 consecutive games on the bench without coming on before his injury. Maybe he would've got back into the team and kept the place without the injury but his overall history suggests he was more fringe than not.
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Frenkie de Jong
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The issue is Barca don’t have a pot to piss in. Surely we’d only be interested in DeJong. They wouldn’t let Pedri leave.
Same source..
god knows what'll happen. cant see it tbh
Fair enough, missed that. And now ive seen it, I'll dismiss it.
The rest stands, would need to be a significant offer
He was still a fringe choice. He spent 4 consecutive games on the bench without coming on before his injury. Maybe he would've got back into the team and kept the place without the injury but his overall history suggests he was more fringe than not.
Too soon to claim that for me. Only his
second season, young. Gets to playnin plenty games, and big ones. He plays what would be expected of a young player.
Not sure how regularly FDJ would play either, given our options there just now, he would be part of rotation too.
I stand by my opinion, wouldn't swap them just now.
I have no argument against the idea that he may have turned out great this year like so many others have in year 2, but the evidence on offer suggests he was more fringe than not up until this point. Which isn't a knock on him, it's just a reflection of where he very likely stood in the pecking order.Too soon to claim that for me. Only his
second season, young. Gets to playnin plenty games, and big ones. He plays what would be expected of a young player.
Not sure how regularly FDJ would play either, given our options there just now, he would be part of rotation too.
I stand by my opinion, wouldn't swap them just now.
I don't think FDJ is on the table regardless.
I have no argument against the idea that he may have turned out great this year like so many others have in year 2, but the evidence on offer suggests he was more fringe than not up until this point. Which isn't a knock on him, it's just a reflection of where he very likely stood in the pecking order.
I don't think FDJ is on the table regardless.
So was arguably foden a good chunk.of last year, by the same metric. Doesn't mean he should readily be sold.
I don't think the term fringe player can really apply to players of that age group, they are simply support players woring they way into a team.
Basically, too soon sell, for me. Short sighted, and hardly makes economic sense.
Anyway, dodgy speculative claim, imo.
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Ederson >De JongDe Jong > F. Torres
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I wasn't saying Torres is a fringe player and therefore should be sold. I was just saying he's notably lower in the pecking order for City than De Jong is for Barcelona and therefore they wouldn't entertain a swap deal.So was arguably foden a good chunk.of last year, by the same metric. Doesn't mean he should readily be sold.
I don't think the term fringe player can really apply to players of that age group, they are simply support players woring they way into a team.
Basically, too soon sell, for me. Short sighted, and hardly makes economic sense.
Anyway, dodgy speculative claim, imo.
I'd be happy if we signed de Jong.
I like Torres, but he is more of a winger than a striker, and we have 6 players who can play on the wings: Jesus, Mahrez, Sterling, Foden, Grealish and Palmer. Once we sign a striker, Torres' opportunities will be significantly reduced.
We need more a CM like de Jong than a winger/wide forward like Torres. Ferna is in his last year, Gundy is 31, Kevin is 30. We'll need new players in CM. We can't rely on Rodri to play every important game this season.
Anyway, I'm pretty relaxed about a possible deal with Barca, for we would let Torres go only if we get a good player from them. Pep/Txiki are no mugs.
I like Torres, but he is more of a winger than a striker, and we have 6 players who can play on the wings: Jesus, Mahrez, Sterling, Foden, Grealish and Palmer. Once we sign a striker, Torres' opportunities will be significantly reduced.
We need more a CM like de Jong than a winger/wide forward like Torres. Ferna is in his last year, Gundy is 31, Kevin is 30. We'll need new players in CM. We can't rely on Rodri to play every important game this season.
Anyway, I'm pretty relaxed about a possible deal with Barca, for we would let Torres go only if we get a good player from them. Pep/Txiki are no mugs.
I don’t think you quite grasp the value of what Torres would be to Barcelona mate ! He would be the focal point of there attack , he’s a superstar in spain and is the number 9 for his country . He’s the future of Spanish football along with pedri fati gavi etc and would be key to a xavi rebuild .I wasn't saying Torres is a fringe player and therefore should be sold. I was just saying he's notably lower in the pecking order for City than De Jong is for Barcelona and therefore they wouldn't entertain a swap deal.
One mans trash is another mans treasure is the saying .. just because he is deemed expendable by some on here. He would be a big coup for Barcelona
I wasn't saying Torres is a fringe player and therefore should be sold. I was just saying he's notably lower in the pecking order for City than De Jong is for Barcelona and therefore they wouldn't entertain a swap deal.
I see, yeah fair.
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Also, his goal scoring record for spain is brilliant in recent times...and he's young. He'd murder LaLiga as it exists now.I don’t think you quite grasp the value of what Torres would be to Barcelona mate ! He would be the focal point of there attack , he’s a superstar in spain and is the number 9 for his country . He’s the future of Spanish football along with pedri fati gavi etc and would be key to a xavi rebuild .
One mans trash is another mans treasure is the saying .. just because he is deemed expendable by some on here. He would be a big coup for Barcelona
I think Torres long term future lies in Spain. However, I hope that he gives it a couple of seasons at City before he decides to return to Spain. Personally I think he is future star, but I have my doubts about if he is suited to the PL.I don’t think you quite grasp the value of what Torres would be to Barcelona mate ! He would be the focal point of there attack , he’s a superstar in spain and is the number 9 for his country . He’s the future of Spanish football along with pedri fati gavi etc and would be key to a xavi rebuild .
One mans trash is another mans treasure is the saying .. just because he is deemed expendable by some on here. He would be a big coup for Barcelona
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I'd be happy if we signed de Jong.
I like Torres, but he is more of a winger than a striker, and we have 6 players who can play on the wings: Jesus, Mahrez, Sterling, Foden, Grealish and Palmer. Once we sign a striker, Torres' opportunities will be significantly reduced.
We need more a CM like de Jong than a winger/wide forward like Torres. Ferna is in his last year, Gundy is 31, Kevin is 30. We'll need new players in CM. We can't rely on Rodri to play every important game this season.
Anyway, I'm pretty relaxed about a possible deal with Barca, for we would let Torres go only if we get a good player from them. Pep/Txiki are no mugs.
Are you sure about that ?
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I can’t recall if I said this here or among Brazilian fans, but I have a strong feeling that Pep was not happy (understatement) with Torres pushing to play that Nations League final with a fractured foot, essentially prioritizing Spain over us. People at club probably would not have been happy either.
If a swap is proposed, I would easily take it, because I just don’t see Torres ever being frequently featured in our starting XI’s no matter the role, especially after we sign a 9. Whereas with FdJ, he would be in our starting XI probably sooner than later. And I can see how Torres would be important for Barcelona.
If a swap is proposed, I would easily take it, because I just don’t see Torres ever being frequently featured in our starting XI’s no matter the role, especially after we sign a 9. Whereas with FdJ, he would be in our starting XI probably sooner than later. And I can see how Torres would be important for Barcelona.
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Would be happier if it was Grealish for De Jong... ;-)
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Would FdJ be happy if he knew Ten Hag was coming in another year?
I'd be happy if we signed de Jong.
I like Torres, but he is more of a winger than a striker, and we have 6 players who can play on the wings: Jesus, Mahrez, Sterling, Foden, Grealish and Palmer. Once we sign a striker, Torres' opportunities will be significantly reduced.
We need more a CM like de Jong than a winger/wide forward like Torres. Ferna is in his last year, Gundy is 31, Kevin is 30. We'll need new players in CM. We can't rely on Rodri to play every important game this season.
Anyway, I'm pretty relaxed about a possible deal with Barca, for we would let Torres go only if we get a good player from them. Pep/Txiki are no mugs.
Garcia, £20mill? That's if Barca had the money? Which they probably didn't.