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31 | Ederson - 2021/22 Performances
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mosssideblue
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Got to feel sorry for all keepers in weather conditions like that. There was one camera shot of him and his ears were bright red.Very good today I thought. Not much to do save wise but what he did have to do, he did very well. Commanding in the box.
Did well to maintain his concentration and I agree, he played well
I actually agree that I don't think we're seeing Ederson's full potential. He's very good, but he's not in the conversation for best keeper in the world anywhere outside a few City fans and I think he could be if he improved a few areas.
I'm not sure I rate Xabi Mancisidor, our GK coach. He oversaw Hart's decline, he didn't arrest Bravo's freefall, and outside penalty shootouts never managed to get Caballero to fit the style of play. Steffen's ball playing is still a very noticeable drop off compared to Ederson whenever he plays, and you'd think 2 years of training would make him look comfortable.
David Preece (a GK coach) has said that Hart's decline came about because whereas Mancini's GK coach, Massimo Battara, always made him work on his weaknesses every day, Mancisidor came in and let Hart decide what he wanted to do, and Hart chose what he was good at.
The result of that after a few years was Hart's weaknesses got more and more exaggerated.
I wonder if something similar is not happening with Ederson. His record on 1v1's and penalties continues to get worse and worse, which makes me think they're not trying to fix them, and might well be just focusing on what he's already the best in the world at.
Ederson is by all reports a very chilled, laid back character, and I wonder if he's the sort to self-police
He was a much better shot stopper at Benfica, so I know he can do it and I actually think he looks better when he goes to Brazil and works under Taffarel for a bit, although that might just be going head to head with Alisson in training every day.
I reckon when Pep eventually leaves, we will see him improve those other areas of his game markedly and he'll be the best all round keeper in the world, because he's already the best with his feet and the most dominant aerially in his box.
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Trevor Morley's Tache
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Any keeper would have struggled to save that shot in those conditions.
All about opinions, I think he is simply outstanding, I love the guy.I actually agree that I don't think we're seeing Ederson's full potential. He's very good, but he's not in the conversation for best keeper in the world anywhere outside a few City fans and I think he could be if he improved a few areas.
Not sure I rate Xabi Mancisidor, our GK coach. He oversaw Hart's decline, he didn't arrest Bravo's freefall, and outside penalty shootouts never managed to get Caballero to fit the style of play. Steffen's ball playing is still a very noticeable drop off compared to Ederson whenever he plays, and you'd think 2 years of training would make him look comfortable.
David Preece has said that Hart's decline came about because whereas Mancini's GK coach, Massimo Battara, always made him work on his weaknesses every day, Mancisidor came in and let Hart decide what he wanted to do, and Hart chose what he was good at.
The result of that after a few years was Hart's weaknesses got more and more exaggerated.
I wonder if something similar is not happening with Ederson. His record on 1v1's and penalties continues to get worse and worse, which makes me think they're not trying to fix them, and might well be just focusing on what he's already the best in the world at.
Ederson was a much better shot stopper at Benfica, so I know he can do it.
I reckon when Pep eventually leaves, we will see him improve those other areas of his game markedly and he'll be the best allround keeper in the world, because he's already the best with his feet and the most dominant aerially in his box.
His distribution is the best in the world and he is in general a more than useful keeper.
I would pay just to watch this guy train, he is the ultimate "character" a larger than life figure and wonderful personality.
Another guy that has come to us from the other side of the world, yet totally gets us and our club.
All about opinions, I think he is simply outstanding, I love the guy.
His distribution is the best in the world and he is in general a more than useful keeper.
I would pay just to watch this guy train, he is the ultimate "character" a larger than life figure and wonderful personality.
Another guy that has come to us from the other side of the world, yet totally gets us and our club.
I don't think anyone said he's not a great character or they don't love him.
He's very good, the question is can he be the best in the world. At the moment he's not because some parts of his game are lagging behind the areas where he is the best.
Have some people said he should have saved it? Haha! Tough crowd.Any keeper would have struggled to save that shot in those conditions.
Again, I disagree on his abilities.I don't think anyone said he's not a great character or they don't love him.
He's very good, the question is can he be the best in the world. At the moment he's not because some parts of his game are lagging behind the areas where he is the best.
Who is better, that would get in our team in from of him?
The Donut thief? Alison?
Again you're arguing against a point no one has made.Again, I disagree on his abilities.
Who is better, that would get in our team in from of him?
The Donut thief? Alison?
No one has said anything about a keeping getting in our team in front of him.
It's about whether he can be better, whether he's reaching his potential, and while he's still very poor at penalties and 1v1's he's not.
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I was taken by the difference in Ederson and Fabianski’s distribution yesterday
Despite the atrocious weather Brazilian Eddy never missed a beat and set City off with a rolling start every time whereas the other keeper who hails from a cold climate frequently gave the ball straight back to City. Maybe the ball seemed like a block of stone to him but he will certainly have encountered those conditions more than Ederson.
Despite the atrocious weather Brazilian Eddy never missed a beat and set City off with a rolling start every time whereas the other keeper who hails from a cold climate frequently gave the ball straight back to City. Maybe the ball seemed like a block of stone to him but he will certainly have encountered those conditions more than Ederson.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Both make howlers of their own. Alisson has given us about 3 goals in our last 2 meetings with the Dippers.Again, I disagree on his abilities.
Who is better, that would get in our team in from of him?
The Donut thief? Alison?
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Its arguably harder in this current City side to prove you are the best goalkeeper in the world though because City as a team are defensively outstanding. We generally concede less shots than anyone else so other keepers will have a higher save % because they take shots from all over the place where Ederson is only really troubled 1v1.I actually agree that I don't think we're seeing Ederson's full potential. He's very good, but he's not in the conversation for best keeper in the world anywhere outside a few City fans and I think he could be if he improved a few areas.
I'm not sure I rate Xabi Mancisidor, our GK coach. He oversaw Hart's decline, he didn't arrest Bravo's freefall, and outside penalty shootouts never managed to get Caballero to fit the style of play. Steffen's ball playing is still a very noticeable drop off compared to Ederson whenever he plays, and you'd think 2 years of training would make him look comfortable.
David Preece (a GK coach) has said that Hart's decline came about because whereas Mancini's GK coach, Massimo Battara, always made him work on his weaknesses every day, Mancisidor came in and let Hart decide what he wanted to do, and Hart chose what he was good at.
The result of that after a few years was Hart's weaknesses got more and more exaggerated.
I wonder if something similar is not happening with Ederson. His record on 1v1's and penalties continues to get worse and worse, which makes me think they're not trying to fix them, and might well be just focusing on what he's already the best in the world at.
Ederson is by all reports a very chilled, laid back character, and I wonder if he's the sort to self-police
He was a much better shot stopper at Benfica, so I know he can do it and I actually think he looks better when he goes to Brazil and works under Taffarel for a bit, although that might just be going head to head with Alisson in training every day.
I reckon when Pep eventually leaves, we will see him improve those other areas of his game markedly and he'll be the best all round keeper in the world, because he's already the best with his feet and the most dominant aerially in his box.
You could say we'll see what he's really like post Pep as i'd expect a drop off whenever he decides to call it a day.
Its arguably harder in this current City side to prove you are the best goalkeeper in the world though because City as a team are defensively outstanding. We generally concede less shots than anyone else so other keepers will have a higher save % because they take shots from all over the place where Ederson is only really troubled 1v1.
You could say we'll see what he's really like post Pep as i'd expect a drop off whenever he decides to call it a day.
Well Neuer was conceding even fewer shots under Pep when he was regarded as the best in the world, Oblak faces very few at Atletico.
When it comes to distribution, command of area, or sweeping, you'll struggle to find a keeper better than Ederson at any of them.
But he could definitely still improve in other areas (although he is better than many detractors suggest). He'd probably tell you the same himself, before putting you in a headlock for shits and giggles.
But he could definitely still improve in other areas (although he is better than many detractors suggest). He'd probably tell you the same himself, before putting you in a headlock for shits and giggles.
How old is he?Again you're arguing against a point no one has made.
No one has said anything about a keeping getting in our team in front of him.
It's about whether he can be better, whether he's reaching his potential, and while he's still very poor at penalties and 1v1's he's not.
28 he is nowhere near his peak as a keeper, which shows how good he is.
Teams are all about not only ability but how players integrate into the team. Hence why as a club we don't have ego's and wannabe's .
The grass is always greener but in my experience, be careful what you wish, it is often inferior.
kaz7
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You read all that shit ?
Some people on here need to realise how privileged they are to be alive and witness this team and club in the flesh.You read all that shit ?
This team and management will be revered long after we and they have long gone from this world.
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That **** (Preece) also said that Ederson isn’t athletic and is poor with ball at feet about 6 weeks into Ederson’s City career.David Preece (a GK coach) has said that Hart's decline came about because whereas Mancini's GK coach, Massimo Battara, always made him work on his weaknesses every day, Mancisidor came in and let Hart decide what he wanted to do, and Hart chose what he was good at.
That doesn’t mean I don’t agree with your points, just that Preece doesn’t half talk some shite at times.
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So basically if I don’t say that every single City player is the best in their position I am ungrateful?Some people on here need to realise how privileged they are to be alive and witness this team and club in the flesh.
This team and management will be revered long after we and they have long gone from this world.
So we must not want to improve any player because we are already privileged enough? I am sure every one of us is incredibly grateful of having the best team in Europe for the last 4 years, and maybe the best England team ever.
But that’s not the point. The point is how Ederson can improve and go from being a top 3 GK for City to being a top 3 GK in the world. And the discussion is because his weaknesses can be improved.
I am not gonna say how Bernardo can improve his speed or Sterling his vision because that’s much harder. But Ederson’s 1v1 technique, Dias headers in the offensive, Cancelo concentration, Foden tempo and patience are things that can be improved more easily. And I still rate Foden, Cancelo and Dias as top players and they would be starters in any team in the world.
OB1
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Its arguably harder in this current City side to prove you are the best goalkeeper in the world though because City as a team are defensively outstanding. We generally concede less shots than anyone else so other keepers will have a higher save % because they take shots from all over the place where Ederson is only really troubled 1v1.
You could say we'll see what he's really like post Pep as i'd expect a drop off whenever he decides to call it a day.
If we go for Ten Haag, Eddie might not be tested any more than he is now.
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