Ref Watch

It really would take some real undercover work to uncover anything with regards to refs. If it ever happens and comes out, it’ll open a can of worms. surprised that even after all this time, nothing has come out. Fucking wankers, the lot of them.
 
Josh_D said:
It really would take some real undercover work to uncover anything with regards to refs. If it ever happens and comes out, it’ll open a can of worms. surprised that even after all this time, nothing has come out. Fucking wankers, the lot of them.
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Hope you're not including Mark Halsey in this slur. :-)
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
So across the PL, the average number of attempted tackles per foul in the first half is 3.47 and the average number of fouls per card is 7.59. Over a whole game, it's 3.51 tackles per foul and 5.29 fouls per card.

In the first half of games, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.63 and an average fouls per card of 8.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.30 and an average fouls per card of 3.71.

By full-time, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.22, with an average fouls per card of 5.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.63 and an average fouls per card of 4.28.

In the first half, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.48, Liverpool have 3.56 and Chelsea 3.01. City have a fouls per card average of 5.09, Liverpool 10.5 and Chelsea 13.33.

By full-time, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.34, Liverpool have 3.16 and Chelsea 3.36. City have a fouls per card average of 5.82, Liverpool 8.53 and Chelsea 7.84.

United averaged 18 tackles per foul against us in the first half. Against Liverpool, they averaged 2. By full-time they averaged 4.22 tackles per foul against us, with 9 fouls per card. Against Liverpool, it was 1.70 tackles per foul, with 1.43 fouls per card.

By contrast, Liverpool averaged 8 tackles per foul against United in the first half, and 5.67 against us. By full-time, it was 4.10 tackles per foul against us, and 3.88 tackles per foul against United.

What does this really show? Well, our opponents get treated a lot more leniently on average than they do against Liverpool. Other teams in the league are over twice as likely to be carded for a foul against a Liverpool player than us in the first half. The gap narrows in the 2nd half, showing that referees are more lenient to our opponent in the first half of games against us, presumably to keep them in the game, but stricter when these teams play Liverpool, thus preventing them from landing a blow. There are of course fluctuations and highly dubious and anomalous games which require a deeper look, but the averages show a general pattern.

We are also twice as likely, in the first half at least, to be carded for a foul than either Liverpool or Chelsea players, again showing how we can be kept in check. It also shows that our rivals can tactically foul with near impunity, whilst ours are picked up much more readily.

We see in the United games that they were given free reign against us, particularly in the first half, whilst they were punished at every opportunity in the Liverpool game.

Still not had a penalty yet either...
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I was going to do this last night so you saved me a job…..

top work that. Stats speak for themselves
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
So across the PL, the average number of attempted tackles per foul in the first half is 3.47 and the average number of fouls per card is 7.59. Over a whole game, it's 3.51 tackles per foul and 5.29 fouls per card.

In the first half of games, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.63 and an average fouls per card of 8.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.30 and an average fouls per card of 3.71.

By full-time, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.22, with an average fouls per card of 5.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.63 and an average fouls per card of 4.28.

In the first half, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.48, Liverpool have 3.56 and Chelsea 3.01. City have a fouls per card average of 5.09, Liverpool 10.5 and Chelsea 13.33.

By full-time, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.34, Liverpool have 3.16 and Chelsea 3.36. City have a fouls per card average of 5.82, Liverpool 8.53 and Chelsea 7.84.

United averaged 18 tackles per foul against us in the first half. Against Liverpool, they averaged 2. By full-time they averaged 4.22 tackles per foul against us, with 9 fouls per card. Against Liverpool, it was 1.70 tackles per foul, with 1.43 fouls per card.

By contrast, Liverpool averaged 8 tackles per foul against United in the first half, and 5.67 against us. By full-time, it was 4.10 tackles per foul against us, and 3.88 tackles per foul against United.

What does this really show? Well, our opponents get treated a lot more leniently on average than they do against Liverpool. Other teams in the league are over twice as likely to be carded for a foul against a Liverpool player than us in the first half. The gap narrows in the 2nd half, showing that referees are more lenient to our opponent in the first half of games against us, presumably to keep them in the game, but stricter when these teams play Liverpool, thus preventing them from landing a blow. There are of course fluctuations and highly dubious and anomalous games which require a deeper look, but the averages show a general pattern.

We are also twice as likely, in the first half at least, to be carded for a foul than either Liverpool or Chelsea players, again showing how we can be kept in check. It also shows that our rivals can tactically foul with near impunity, whilst ours are picked up much more readily.

We see in the United games that they were given free reign against us, particularly in the first half, whilst they were punished at every opportunity in the Liverpool game.

Still not had a penalty yet either...
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You need to email that to City and the Premier League.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
So across the PL, the average number of attempted tackles per foul in the first half is 3.47 and the average number of fouls per card is 7.59. Over a whole game, it's 3.51 tackles per foul and 5.29 fouls per card.

In the first half of games, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.63 and an average fouls per card of 8.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.30 and an average fouls per card of 3.71.

By full-time, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.22, with an average fouls per card of 5.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.63 and an average fouls per card of 4.28.

In the first half, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.48, Liverpool have 3.56 and Chelsea 3.01. City have a fouls per card average of 5.09, Liverpool 10.5 and Chelsea 13.33.

By full-time, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.34, Liverpool have 3.16 and Chelsea 3.36. City have a fouls per card average of 5.82, Liverpool 8.53 and Chelsea 7.84.

United averaged 18 tackles per foul against us in the first half. Against Liverpool, they averaged 2. By full-time they averaged 4.22 tackles per foul against us, with 9 fouls per card. Against Liverpool, it was 1.70 tackles per foul, with 1.43 fouls per card.

By contrast, Liverpool averaged 8 tackles per foul against United in the first half, and 5.67 against us. By full-time, it was 4.10 tackles per foul against us, and 3.88 tackles per foul against United.

What does this really show? Well, our opponents get treated a lot more leniently on average than they do against Liverpool. Other teams in the league are over twice as likely to be carded for a foul against a Liverpool player than us in the first half. The gap narrows in the 2nd half, showing that referees are more lenient to our opponent in the first half of games against us, presumably to keep them in the game, but stricter when these teams play Liverpool, thus preventing them from landing a blow. There are of course fluctuations and highly dubious and anomalous games which require a deeper look, but the averages show a general pattern.

We are also twice as likely, in the first half at least, to be carded for a foul than either Liverpool or Chelsea players, again showing how we can be kept in check. It also shows that our rivals can tactically foul with near impunity, whilst ours are picked up much more readily.

We see in the United games that they were given free reign against us, particularly in the first half, whilst they were punished at every opportunity in the Liverpool game.

Still not had a penalty yet either...
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Super post. How many games does your data cover? I’d imagine it needs to be at least 60-70 to be really credible?
Sorry, not knocking you, just intersted.
 
Stiff Little Wingers said:
Super post. How many games does your data cover? I’d imagine it needs to be at least 60-70 to be really credible?
Sorry, not knocking you, just intersted.
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I was studying this season so far as the discrepancies were a bit too evident on how this season's started, and different seasons have different underlying themes to them (i.e. Conte's Chelsea had a very favourable season refereeing wise when they won the league, same with Leicester, the Rags had their spurt of pens to get them in the CL) so across seasons is a bit more difficult to see the sort of trend you can witness in how the refs are treating us this season.

I am doing wider research across seasons but that has a different emphasis to it.
 
Damanino said:
thing is I cannot imagine Atkinson changing his mind or being ordered to walk out and check it on monitor and award a pen if that fault (Odegaard vs Fred) is vs Foden/Sterling/Jesus in the box...
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Have we ever had VAR get the referee to stop play in one of our games, and invite him to review his decision that wasn't originally in our favour?
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
So across the PL, the average number of attempted tackles per foul in the first half is 3.47 and the average number of fouls per card is 7.59. Over a whole game, it's 3.51 tackles per foul and 5.29 fouls per card.

In the first half of games, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.63 and an average fouls per card of 8.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.30 and an average fouls per card of 3.71.

By full-time, City's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 4.22, with an average fouls per card of 5.67. Liverpool's opponents have an average number of attempted tackles per foul of 3.63 and an average fouls per card of 4.28.

In the first half, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.48, Liverpool have 3.56 and Chelsea 3.01. City have a fouls per card average of 5.09, Liverpool 10.5 and Chelsea 13.33.

By full-time, City have an average tackles/foul of 3.34, Liverpool have 3.16 and Chelsea 3.36. City have a fouls per card average of 5.82, Liverpool 8.53 and Chelsea 7.84.

United averaged 18 tackles per foul against us in the first half. Against Liverpool, they averaged 2. By full-time they averaged 4.22 tackles per foul against us, with 9 fouls per card. Against Liverpool, it was 1.70 tackles per foul, with 1.43 fouls per card.

By contrast, Liverpool averaged 8 tackles per foul against United in the first half, and 5.67 against us. By full-time, it was 4.10 tackles per foul against us, and 3.88 tackles per foul against United.

What does this really show? Well, our opponents get treated a lot more leniently on average than they do against Liverpool. Other teams in the league are over twice as likely to be carded for a foul against a Liverpool player than us in the first half. The gap narrows in the 2nd half, showing that referees are more lenient to our opponent in the first half of games against us, presumably to keep them in the game, but stricter when these teams play Liverpool, thus preventing them from landing a blow. There are of course fluctuations and highly dubious and anomalous games which require a deeper look, but the averages show a general pattern.

We are also twice as likely, in the first half at least, to be carded for a foul than either Liverpool or Chelsea players, again showing how we can be kept in check. It also shows that our rivals can tactically foul with near impunity, whilst ours are picked up much more readily.

We see in the United games that they were given free reign against us, particularly in the first half, whilst they were punished at every opportunity in the Liverpool game.

Still not had a penalty yet either...
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Is that compiled from match stats? The tackles/fouls ratio against City may be skewed because we try to keep the ball rather than stop for a free kick and refs play advantage (like Dean for the winner).

Of course the "go down for a penalty" mantra doesn't work when Jesus is kicked, stays on his feet and only goes down when a different player kicks him, and still doesn't get a penalty.
 
Last night, near the end , rags get a free kick in their own half. Maguire places the ball, then decides to untie and retie his boot laces. Atkinson does nothing. Then Maguire leaves the ball and De Gea wanders up to take the kick. Atkinson does nothing. That cannot be incompetence.
 
lancs blue said:
Well, VAR did, Atkinson looked as if he was expecting being told to disallow it.
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What I found hilarious was the fact the commentators were trying to claim atkinson's expressions were because he had to allow the goal despite some sort of injustice, it was laughable, he stood there saying hardly fuck all in the hope VAR would come to the rescue with some minute reason so he didn't have to give it, that pissed off glum look was because they didn't !

PS Fuckin wanker atkinson.

PPS I deliberately don't use capital letters on anyone's name who I think is a ****, and not worthy of it btw.
 
Dirty Harry said:
What I found hilarious was the fact the commentators were trying to claim atkinson's expressions were because he had to allow the goal despite some sort of injustice, it was laughable, he stood there saying hardly fuck all in the hope VAR would come to the rescue with some minute reason so he didn't have to give it, that pissed off glum look was because they didn't !

PS Fuckin wanker atkinson.

PPS I deliberately don't use capital letters on anyone's name who I think is a ****, and not worthy of it btw.
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I’m the same with capital letters dh.
 
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