F1 Season 2021

meltonblue said:
No wonder Mercedes are appealing then, no way will that hold up, it even says that is after “lapped cars can now overtake” has been sent to all teams.
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If the ruling said "all" instead of "any", Mercedes would have an ironclad case to take to CAS, because that is how the FIA have wormed out of it. It technically doesn't state that every lapped car must pass the lead car before they can continue racing under a green flag.
 
Mercedes should just accept the result now, and then take the FIA to court for loss of revenue, they'd most likely win for the way the rules were implimented, and the FIA would probably go out of business (wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion, as I think something is very wrong there).
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
If the ruling said "all" instead of "any", Mercedes would have an ironclad case to take to CAS, because that is how the FIA have wormed out of it. It technically doesn't state that every lapped car must pass the lead car before they can continue racing under a green flag.
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Red Bull tried this argument but it's bullshit and you know it and the stewards ignored it.

Any lapped cars does equal all lapped cars.
 
give it to gordon said:
I still dont understand why the lapped cars can be moved out to give the second place car an advantage. Surely the race restarts with everyone holding their places, i just dont get it
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It used to be that way, or they'd take a note of the time gap then added it on at the end of the race, then they changed it during the Schumacher dominance era, I believe.
 
crooky said:
Umm no. Ask Toyota, Honda and BMW how their campaigns in the mid 2000s. You need more than money to be the best in F1.
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I didn't say to be the best. You merely need money and you can build a team to compete in F1.
The equivalent would be a billionaire creating Bluemoon FC, building a stadium ect(chassis), build a team then immediately compete in the Premier League.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
If the ruling said "all" instead of "any", Mercedes would have an ironclad case to take to CAS, because that is how the FIA have wormed out of it. It technically doesn't state that every lapped car must pass the lead car before they can continue racing under a green flag.
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I don’t think that as a defence would win either though.
 
Loads of new F1 fans got a race they probably adored. But the regulars are left stunned by the abysmal decision making.

Lewis had it won. Max and Red Bull were resigned to the fact it was done except for a miracle. But a miracle is certainly not rushing to force a final lap sprint between the two contenders with one on fresher tyres...

It is a clear manipulation of the circumstances to benefit one team. Whilst bias exists in all sports, that was quite ridiculous. That would be like our Aguero moment coming after the ref moved a couple of the QPR players out of the way and played until we scored. It's that hollow.

Has CAS ever had to make a decision on anything like this before in any sport?
 
Oh well that’s me done with it,won’t be watching it anymore maybe just give the result of that days race a cursory glance but that’s about it,absolute shambles it’s no longer a sport as such it’s manufactured entertainment..
 
meltonblue said:
I don’t think that as a defence would win either though.
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Why not? It says any, not all. The RC can call in the SC on the last lap at their own descretion (there's a lot more into it that the FIA have used to justify it, though ut its too much to go into and doesn't change their defence), and Masi did. They wanted a finish under race conditions not yellow flags and worked their own rules to orchestrate it. Had Hamilton won would anyone be having this conversation about the safety car/gap reduction?
 
01cravend said:
I didn't say to be the best. You merely need money and you can build a team to compete in F1.
The equivalent would be a billionaire creating Bluemoon FC, building a stadium ect(chassis), build a team then immediately compete in the Premier League.
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Ah I interpreted competing as competing for championships. And yeah it's an expensive sport to compete in so that's how it works.

You couldn't have a relegation and promotion system in F1. Imagine how complicated it would be when you get relegated to F2 and you have to fire 300 people!
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
If the ruling said "all" instead of "any", Mercedes would have an ironclad case to take to CAS, because that is how the FIA have wormed out of it. It technically doesn't state that every lapped car must pass the lead car before they can continue racing under a green flag.
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Any in that situation has to mean all; otherwise it's a joke - oh wait a minute.
 
waspish said:
Would of been more comfortable with the end result if Hamilton had new tiers and the both were level when the safety car left the track.
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I still think it was a mistake not to bring him in under the VSC. It was clear the Mercedes had the pace today.
 
I am not a great F1 fan. I usually casually follow the championship and watch a race a season if its on. This season because it was close I have watched a few and for the first time have been uncertain as to what I was watching. 'giving up places' stewards keeping out of disputes and allowing 'teams' to sort themselves out, dangerous driving with no penalty. And then today.

I sure wont watch it again unless Mercedes take this all the way and get some kind of resolution.

Of course it wont happen, the money talks and they will fall in line, just as City fall in line. The loser in all of this are us. Genuine sports fans who just want to see fair play and are happy to cheer our team when they win or applaud an opponent when they beat us fairly.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
“ma·nip·u·la·tion
noun
1.
the action of manipulating something in a skillful manner.

2.
the action of manipulating someone in a clever or unscrupulous way.”

Thanks for agreeing with me by your choice of words.

I think definition 2 was in effect.
ChicagoBlue said:
“ma·nip·u·la·tion
noun
1.
the action of manipulating something in a skillful manner.

2.
the action of manipulating someone in a clever or unscrupulous way.”

Thanks for agreeing with me by your choice of words.

I think definition 2 was in effect.
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You are missing the point. Take away Mercs fuck ups and Hamilton would have been well clear before today. No manipulation could then have affected the title.
On at least one occasion Hamilton went apeshit on the radio with his own team throwing away points with a nonsensical decision, just as bad as today's decisions by FIA.
Did you agree with the Times line: City were not real champions because they had help from Gerrard's slip? Or how about: City only won the title because United dropped points against Wigan and Everton?
I generally avoid agreeing with people who try to make clever remarks but fail.
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im not a big fan of hamilton or verstappen, i was just looking forward to an exciting race, and to be fair with 10 laps to go, verstappen on quicker tyres it was building, when hamilton had to pass those 4 cars who were battling for points i was tense, when hamilton was fighting the other red bull i was tense, i was hoping verstappen could make up the time on his new tyres, that's what i was loving, a fair battle between two obviously excellent drivers/teams, what i got was a farce in the end, where a referee can decide what happens even if it isn't in the rules, how the fuck can that be fair

to the posters who were obviously wumming this thread, maybe you've had previous on this thread with other posters ,but you came across as anti hamilton for whatever reason .

lets take the end scenario to football, sergio scores in the 93:20 minute, but the ref decides to change the rules to you can only score with your head, would the wummers be so happy about the refs deciding the result .

i don't get the hate for either driver, they both come across as ok to me, verstappen reminds me of Schumacher win at all cost, and hamilton dresses a bit like a dick but comes across as a decent bloke as well
 
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