Coronavirus (2022) thread

[Octavian]

well the hospitalisation vs cases data doesn't reflect that. The NHS would cope far better if asymptomatic workers were not forced to isolate when they could be treating people.

Well that’s a different argument but then they’re spreading it to vulnerable patients which is another concern.

83% efficacy a booster jab gives you against Omicron, about a 40% increase from 2 jabs.

Why the fuck wouldn’t we be triple jabbing everyone as much as possible?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Well that’s a different argument but then they’re spreading it to vulnerable patients which is another concern.

83% efficacy a booster jab gives you against Omicron, about a 40% increase from 2 jabs.

Why the fuck wouldn’t we be triple jabbing everyone as much as possible?

70% vs 88%. Because getting 2 jabs in people with 0 or 1 has bigger gains than putting a third in people who don't need it.

 

[Octavian]

70% vs 88%. Because getting 2 jabs in people with 0 or 1 has bigger gains than putting a third in people who don't need it.

“A similar trend was seen for those who have had two doses of the Pfizer jab, with about 60% protection against Delta at 25 or more weeks since the second dose, and just under 40% protection against Omicron at the same time point – although, again, there are uncertainties around the figures.”

Two jabs offer little protection against Omicron infection, UK data shows

Health agency says booster raises protection as new daily infection figure rises to highest since January

amp.theguardian.com

Rises to 83% with 3 jabs.

Again, why wouldn’t we jab as many as possible with 3 jabs???

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

“A similar trend was seen for those who have had two doses of the Pfizer jab, with about 60% protection against Delta at 25 or more weeks since the second dose, and just under 40% protection against Omicron at the same time point – although, again, there are uncertainties around the figures.”

Two jabs offer little protection against Omicron infection, UK data shows

Health agency says booster raises protection as new daily infection figure rises to highest since January

amp.theguardian.com

Rises to 83% with 3 jabs.

Again, why wouldn’t we jab as many as possible with 3 jabs???

so 6 months, not 3. Yet we're already talking about not needing number 4 "yet", with efficacy against being mildly ill (which is all the vast majority of normal people need protection from) at 30% after just 3 months, when for anything worthwhile we should be talking years, but we'll never know years because we'll be on jab 17 instead of 1 jab that does the trick.

Get to 4, get to 5, then see how many people still hold your view when they end up the same without it. There's a certain minority demographic who needs it, and public health policy for everyone is being handled with a one-size-fits all approach with no regard for long term public health, dependency and safety.

 

[Octavian]

so 6 months, not 3. Yet we're already talking about not needing number 4 "yet", with efficacy against being mildly ill (which is all the vast majority of normal people need protection from) at 30% after just 3 months, when for anything worthwhile we should be talking years, but we'll never know years because we'll be on jab 17 instead of 1 jab that does the trick.

Get to 4, get to 5, then see how many people still hold your view when they end up the same without it. There's a certain minority demographic who needs it, and public health policy for everyone is being handled with a one-size-fits all approach with no regard for long term public health, dependency and safety.

No we won’t have jab 17. These viruses have a lifespan before becoming normal illness and we’re already seeing it weakening itself as is Omicron.

We’ve hopefully got one last hurdle to get through and the best chance of clearing the hurdle is ensuring serious illness is mitigated and 3 jabs is the best way.

But you sit at home on your arse while doctors and nurses treat people because you want to be appear the smart arse on the internet.

If all unvaccinated people were removed from hospitals then nowhere would be at capacity. I’m not calling for that but anti vaxxers are still total and utter cunts.

 

[meltonblue]

well the hospitalisation vs cases data doesn't reflect that. The NHS would cope far better if asymptomatic workers were not forced to isolate when they could be treating people.

A lot of the people they treat are the most vulnerable. Asymptomatic doesn’t make them not infectious.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

A lot of the people they treat are the most vulnerable. Asymptomatic doesn’t make them not infectious.

if they're already on a Covid ward then they're infected.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

No we won’t have jab 17. These viruses have a lifespan before becoming normal illness and we’re already seeing it weakening itself as is Omicron.

We’ve hopefully got one last hurdle to get through and the best chance of clearing the hurdle is ensuring serious illness is mitigated and 3 jabs is the best way.

But you sit at home on your arse while doctors and nurses treat people because you want to be appear the smart arse on the internet.

If all unvaccinated people were removed from hospitals then nowhere would be at capacity. I’m not calling for that but anti vaxxers are still total and utter cunts.

there's already 9 booster slots on GP systems so are you so sure?

It's always "hopefully one last hurdle", well we hurdling it without most people needing any help. There's a tiny minority who do and we have the resources to help them if we apply effective policy.

unvaccinated people are a different story and everyone knows that is the real issue. Not normal people being jabbed to buggery.

Problem is too many doctors and nurses are sat on their arses because of arbitrary policy that just ends up killing people.

 

[blueparrot]

if they're already on a Covid ward then they're infected.

Do they only work on one ward then, do they not mix with staff on non covid wardsn do they not touch surfaces other staff touch.Try thinking things through before posting.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

For the people debating the benefits of boosters, some new data out today.

 

[Vic]

Health Secretary Sajid Javid has been directly challenged by an unvaccinated hospital consultant over the government's policy of compulsory COVID jabs for NHS staff.

During a visit to King's College Hospital in south London, Mr Javid asked staff members on the intensive care unit about their thoughts on new rules requiring vaccination for NHS workers.


And Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist who has been treating coronavirus patients since the start of the pandemic, told the health secretary about his displeasure.

"I'm not happy about that," he said. "I had COVID at some point, I've got antibodies, and I've been working on COVID ICU since the beginning.

"I have not had a vaccination, I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it's probably less.
And for that, I would be dismissed if I don't have a vaccine? The science isn't strong enough."


Mr James also revealed another of his colleagues held the same position.

Why doesn't he want to have a vaccine?

 

[Octavian]

there's already 9 booster slots on GP systems so are you so sure?

It's always "hopefully one last hurdle", well we hurdling it without most people needing any help. There's a tiny minority who do and we have the resources to help them if we apply effective policy.

unvaccinated people are a different story and everyone knows that is the real issue. Not normal people being jabbed to buggery.

Problem is too many doctors and nurses are sat on their arses because of arbitrary policy that just ends up killing people.

Unvaccinated people are the real issue you’re right but getting efficacy up 40% on those who are complete idiots will make a huge difference.

I’m glad if there’s 9 booster slots, it shows they’re planning for worst case scenario, which will likely never happen.

 

[BlueHammer85]

But you sit at home on your arse while doctors and nurses treat people because you want to be appear the smart arse on the internet.

but there’s unvaccinated doctors and nurses saving lives whilst your calling them cunts on the internet.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Unvaccinated people are the real issue you’re right but getting efficacy up 40% on those who are complete idiots will make a huge difference.

I’m glad if there’s 9 booster slots, it shows they’re planning for worst case scenario, which will likely never happen.

it won't, because it already provably hasn't.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why doesn't he want to have a vaccine?

I wish Javid asked him that.

but I guess his reply is he has antibodies so he doesn’t see the point in having the vaccination

 

[meltonblue]

there's already 9 booster slots on GP systems so are you so sure?

It's always "hopefully one last hurdle", well we hurdling it without most people needing any help. There's a tiny minority who do and we have the resources to help them if we apply effective policy.

unvaccinated people are a different story and everyone knows that is the real issue. Not normal people being jabbed to buggery.

Problem is too many doctors and nurses are sat on their arses because of arbitrary policy that just ends up killing people.

Where’s that 9 booster slot figure from?

 

[Vic]

Well thought out argument from you against a bloke who’s probably been doing a great job on the front line for the last 2 years. Obviously this doctor is a nut job for having an opinion different to the masses and daring to articulately question something he’s got vast experience of.

Clearly the bloke is a **** though who needs sacking immediately. Less doctors is just what we need at the moment.

He's more likely to catch it then spread it to colleagues. And fewer doctors is just what we don't need. How many were infected by him with Covid when he probably wouldn't have had it if vaccinated?

 

[Octavian]

this guy is fully qualified, he is far more knowledgeable than you and is treating covid patients and saving lives - he is not some crack pot loon that is normally associated with the anti vax mob.

And what do you think of some people in government?

There’s people right across society who have become qualified in an impressive profession but are total fruitloops and/or wankers.

You underestimate and overestimate people.

 

[Vic]

I wish Javid asked him that.

but I guess his reply is he has antibodies so he doesn’t see the point in having the vaccination

Well yes, he got the antibodies by catching Covid and then was infecting other people because he was asymptomatic, until he tested positive. He could have Covid again now and be doing the same.

 

[Craig]

He's more likely to catch it then spread it to colleagues. And fewer doctors is just what we don't need. How many were infected by him with Covid when he probably wouldn't have had it if vaccinated?

Yeah, glad the vaccine has stopped the spread so well. Also pretty sure he would masked up etc.