Coronavirus (2022) thread

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Saddleworth2 said:
Maybe I’m reading that wrong but if it covers May to December then many That were unvaccinated were unvaccinated because the vaccine rollout hadn’t reached them yet. In fact the vast majority of under 60’s won’t have had their second jab. I see there is no data block for single jabbed.
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I thought the same thing but on reading, it's done on the rate per population in each group. At least that's my understanding, could be wrong.
 
Vic said:
Except presumably everyone catching it again already had antibodies from first time.
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At the moment we do not know how long you keep antibodies for from the unvaccinated after catching Covid and then not being vaccinated?! Some say it’s around 9 months say considerably longer?

Wonder if we have any stats on this.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Health Secretary Sajid Javid has been directly challenged by an unvaccinated hospital consultant over the government's policy of compulsory COVID jabs for NHS staff.

During a visit to King's College Hospital in south London, Mr Javid asked staff members on the intensive care unit about their thoughts on new rules requiring vaccination for NHS workers.


And Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist who has been treating coronavirus patients since the start of the pandemic, told the health secretary about his displeasure.

"I'm not happy about that," he said. "I had COVID at some point, I've got antibodies, and I've been working on COVID ICU since the beginning.

"I have not had a vaccination, I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it's probably less.
And for that, I would be dismissed if I don't have a vaccine? The science isn't strong enough."


Mr James also revealed another of his colleagues held the same position.
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No way would I want to put my trust into a doctor or nurse who was an anti vaxxer.

It terrifying to me that these cunts exist, good riddance.
 
Dr Mike Tildesley, who has said Omicron is the "first ray of light" that COVID could eventually become less severe.

"The thing that might happen in the future is you may see the emergence of a new variant that is less severe, and ultimately, in the long term, what happens is COVID becomes endemic and you have a less severe version," he told Times Radio.

"It's very similar to the common cold that we've lived with for many years. We're not quite there yet but possibly Omicron is the first ray of light there that suggests that may happen in the longer term. It is, of course, much more transmissible than Delta was, which is concerning, but much less severe."

He added that as we move towards the spring "and we see the back of Omicron", we can live with COVID more as an endemic disease.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I thought the same thing but on reading, it's done on the rate per population in each group. At least that's my understanding, could be wrong.
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Yeah but even then it must be counting those waiting for jabs as unvaccinated. It’s trying to encourage people to vaccinate (which is a good thing) but it’s a bit misleading. Could have shown hospitalisation with one jab and also make it clear that this picture is representative of what happened during the vaccine rollout and near the beginning of the booster rollout.
 
Octavian said:
The ignorance is getting annoying now.

Vaccines aren’t designed to stop spread, they are there to significantly reduce serious illness and deaths but they do also reduce spread. They reduced the spread of Delta by about 30%, which over a population the size of ours means a lot more capacity in the NHS and a lot less deaths.
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Anti vaxxers are deliberately obtuse. It's futile to engage with them.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Dr Mike Tildesley, who has said Omicron is the "first ray of light" that COVID could eventually become less severe.

"The thing that might happen in the future is you may see the emergence of a new variant that is less severe, and ultimately, in the long term, what happens is COVID becomes endemic and you have a less severe version," he told Times Radio.

"It's very similar to the common cold that we've lived with for many years. We're not quite there yet but possibly Omicron is the first ray of light there that suggests that may happen in the longer term. It is, of course, much more transmissible than Delta was, which is concerning, but much less severe."

He added that as we move towards the spring "and we see the back of Omicron", we can live with COVID more as an endemic disease.
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I mentioned this possibility on here a few days ago and was mocked for doing so by the doomoungers.
 
buckshot said:
My double vaxxed and boosted wife has it and has been miserable for four days so far. I'm so glad she's had the shots because if it was worse she'd be in the hospital. She's moved into a spare bedroom and I've set her up with everything she needs. I have the finished basement to myself and we wear masks in common areas. I'm hoping her symptoms subside this weekend because having it in your house really sucks.
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Hope she's okay, sure she will kicks it's arse.

Enjoy the peace and quiet for the next 10 days pal ;-)
 
Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
Anti vaxxers are deliberately obtuse. It's futile to engage with them.
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It’s a common method of arguing when you have zero facts or statistics that support you. Some of them must know they don’t have the evidence tho and that’s what surprises me the most, that they continue with it.
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
Yeah but even then it must be counting those waiting for jabs as unvaccinated. It’s trying to encourage people to vaccinate (which is a good thing) but it’s a bit misleading. Could have shown hospitalisation with one jab and also make it clear that this picture is representative of what happened during the vaccine rollout and near the beginning of the booster rollout.
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The original dataset includes single jabbed. Don't know why Mainwood didn't include in his visualisation, perhaps just because there are so few of them - from the report:
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The dataset includes December, so I don't think it's right to say its only covers near the beginning of the booster campaign. It shows the relative likelihood of ICU admission with vaccination status, and I think would apply at any time.

The whole report and some data to download are here.

ICNARC – Reports

ICNARC - Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre. Quality data for quality care.
www.icnarc.org www.icnarc.org
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
maybe, covid can become all consuming if you are not too careful. especially when isolating in 1 room for 7 days like me. lol
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My mental health took a battering before Christmas isolating. I did 10 days as that was the rules then.

I’m usually pretty stable and never had issues touch wood but after day 6/7 I was really feeling bad cabin fever and felt depressed. After a couple of days of being allowed out I was right as rain.
 
Octavian said:
My mental health took a battering before Christmas isolating. I did 10 days as that was the rules then.

I’m usually pretty stable and never had issues touch wood but after day 6/7 I was really feeling bad cabin fever and felt depressed. After a couple of days of being allowed out I was right as rain.
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we all had to isolate for 10 days in August when my youngest caught it. wasnt too bad all of us together. This time its just me. wife has confined me to the bedroom. she has moved to spare room. Room service isnt bad to be honest as im not the most patient of people. Bit bored but things could be much worse.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The original dataset includes single jabbed. Don't know why Mainwood didn't include in his visualisation, perhaps just because there are so few of them - from the report:
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The dataset includes December, so I don't think it's right to say its only covers near the beginning of the booster campaign. It shows the relative likelihood of ICU admission with vaccination status, and I think would apply at any time.

The whole report and some data to download are here.

ICNARC – Reports

ICNARC - Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre. Quality data for quality care.
www.icnarc.org www.icnarc.org
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Ok. Thanks. i think the graphs you show make it very clear. In December 21, 90% of the population had at least one jab. That population was making up 40% of critical care admissions. Conversely, the 10% (18+) that were totally unvaccinated were making up 60% of admissions. So in December 6 out of 10 critical care beds were filled by unvaccinated. Just a different way of showing the data I guess.
 
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