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16 | Rodri - 2021/22 Performances
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Kamaro011
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Yeah, but it will be magnitude ten times worse. It may potentially damage his confidence forever and harming his development to further his skill since then, losing at very critical moment because it his fault that his team losing at final.
Nope, Rodri towards the end of last season is very poor. If Pep put him on the final and he makes a mistake that leads opposition to goal in Final. There will be many in here will be calling his head, that he never deserve to replace Fernandinho and wants him immediately sold.
Pep made a mistake that led to the opposition goal in the final. It's not enough to say we didn't play Rodri because there was a chance he might have played badly.
Wrong guy! I thought he was better than Fernandihno the day he walked in...Nope, Rodri towards the end of last season is very poor. If Pep put him on the final and he makes a mistake that leads opposition to goal in Final. There will be many in here will be calling his head, that he never deserve to replace Fernandinho and wants him immediately sold.
But let's put that aside... Either of the DMs played that day, and one of the out of form forwards benched and we'd have had a chance.
We lost coz we didn't have a base.
Nice hypothetical. But he'd have been fine. And this whole hypo missed one small fact...Yeah, but it will be magnitude ten times worse. It may potentially damage his confidence forever and harming his development to further his skill since then, losing at very critical moment because it his fault that his team losing at final.
We'd have won :p
Kamaro011
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Wrong guy! I thought he was better than Fernandihno the day he walked in...
But let's put that aside... Either of the DMs played that day, and one of the out of form forwards benched and we'd have had a chance.
We lost coz we didn't have a base.
Put that last season rodri in lineup and we will lose even more goals. I have no faith in that version of Rodri at all, he really that bad towards the end.
FromPollockToSilva
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Put that last season rodri in lineup and we will lose even more goals. I have no faith in that version of Rodri at all, he really that bad towards the end.
Not sure where the idea comes from that we'd be shipping goals with Rodri playing
After the loss in the derby, we conceded two in a win against Southampton (Rodri didn't play), lost 2-1 against Leeds (Rodri didn't play), lost 2-1 to Chelsea with a ridiculous team (our midfield was Rodri, Cancelo, Sterling, Torres, Mendy) due to Agüero missing that penalty, and lost 3-2 to Brighton because Cancelo was sent off after 10 minutes and we played Eric pissing Garcia
The only game where a half-decent team featuring Rodri conceded a load of goals was the 4-3 against Newcastle, which was just...weird
In the six Champions League knockout games before the final, we conceded three times in total
Rodri's form definitely dipped (as did the team's in general) when the winning run came to an end, but I take issue with the characterization of him as a walking liability gifting opponents goal after goal. It simply didn't happen
discopop
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Big rodders needs a song
Not difficult only fools horse tune with Rodders is the man with a few lyric changes before
Kamaro011
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Not sure where the idea comes from that we'd be shipping goals with Rodri playing
After the loss in the derby, we conceded two in a win against Southampton (Rodri didn't play), lost 2-1 against Leeds (Rodri didn't play), lost 2-1 to Chelsea with a ridiculous team (our midfield was Rodri, Cancelo, Sterling, Torres, Mendy) due to Agüero missing that penalty, and lost 3-2 to Brighton because Cancelo was sent off after 10 minutes and we played Eric pissing Garcia
The only game where a half-decent team featuring Rodri conceded a load of goals was the 4-3 against Newcastle, which was just...weird
In the six Champions League knockout games before the final, we conceded three times in total
Rodri's form definitely dipped (as did the team's in general) when the winning run came to an end, but I take issue with the characterization of him as a walking liability gifting opponents goal after goal. It simply didn't happen
Fair enough, but the thing is it's mind boogling on how different the rodri of this season compared to last season. It's like he is different person, kind of like we bought a new player to a team without any of us realizing lol.
BlueMoonRisin’
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Absolutely ridiculous comment Dax.Wrong guy! I thought he was better than Fernandihno the day he walked in...
But let's put that aside... Either of the DMs played that day, and one of the out of form forwards benched and we'd have had a chance.
We lost coz we didn't have a base.
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Nooooo your thinking of DaveNot difficult only fools horse tune with Rodders is the man with a few lyric changes before
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Mind you, the individual performance star agrees with me.Put that last season rodri in lineup and we will lose even more goals. I have no faith in that version of Rodri at all, he really that bad towards the end.
Rodri, did not go from shit to great.
He was good his 1st season, very good last season, and great now.
I said it at the time and never wavered. Dihno wasn't the Dihno of the 1,st 3 years anymore. But every now and then he'd have a flashback game and I'd get comments about how stupid I was. But overall Rodri was a more consistent footballer even in that 1st season.Absolutely ridiculous comment Dax.
He just wasn't the tackling machine Dihno was. And too many rated who was better simply on who could crack an opponent.
At least it seems that way. I could be wrong :)
BlueMoonRisin’
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Mate, i admire you for your wumming because you cannot be serious, as John McEnroe once said: )I said it at the time and never wavered. Dihno wasn't the Dihno of the 1,st 3 years anymore. But every now and then he'd have a flashback game and I'd get comments about how stupid I was. But overall Rodri was a more consistent footballer even in that 1st season.
He just wasn't the tackling machine Dihno was. And too many rated who was better simply on who could crack an opponent.
At least it seems that way. I could be wrong :)
"And too many rated who was better simply on who could crack an opponent". Lol.
Anyone who rated a player for cracking an opponent is a numpty, you sure anyone actually said that pal because i can't recall reading anyone being so daft ?
Fernandinho has been colossal for us since he signed for us in 2013. He virtually carried Yaya for his last 2 seasons. I and lots other blues soon saw a very special player unfolding before our eyes, way before the media and clubs/fans picked up on him and how good he was. I remember justifying Ferno's importance with an Everton fan about 7 seasons ago on their main forum, GOT. I couldn't get it into his thick scouse head how good Ferno was then and how good he would become. He wasn't having any of it claiming he was an overrated average player.
I've said it a few times in the past that he was once our most important player because we had nobody else to replace him, and whenever he was out of the side whoever did replace it was a downgrade on quality and experience of such a crucial position. He even deputised the best part of a season as a CB and hardly made a real mistake that cost us. Most mistakes he has made has been his hot headedness which he calmed down somewhat the last few seasons.
I also said that Rodri wasn't fit to lace 'dino's boots and never would be because i could not see how such a slow plodder who turned slower than milk could make it in this league because he had limited and negative passing range.
His first season he was mostly dreadful and it wasn't until around halfway last season he started to show us he may just be cut out for this league.
This season he has been an absolute revelation which I am so pleased to see. Rhodri has improved almost every attribute of his game beyond recognition of his first season. I think fernandinho has definitely been mentoring him because he is now looking such an accomplished player in such a short time.
Right now i cannot think of a City player past or present who has gone from zero to hero in such a short time, and Rodri is definitely worthy of hero status right now. Infact he has become a really important and dependable player we look for on the team sheet. Wow, its a remarkable achievement and I'll quite happily scoff another slice of humble pie for getting it wrong.
But im not a "told ya so"(in hindsight) fence sitter. I say it as I see it at the time, and at the time Rodri was nowhere near the same player he is today in his first 18 months.
Not wumming. Just spitting facts. And you can take the "cracking an opponent' line with a grain of salt. It was an euphemism for who tackled more or was more aggressive etc.Mate, i admire you for your wumming because you cannot be serious, as John McEnroe once said: )
"And too many rated who was better simply on who could crack an opponent". Lol.
Read above.Anyone who rated a player for cracking an opponent is a numpty, you sure anyone actually said that pal because i can't recall reading anyone being so daft ?
Again, most of this isn't relevant as I wasn't speaking about Dihno's history at City. Just the 2019/20 season. I'm absolutely certain Rodri was a better player that season.Fernandinho has been colossal for us since he signed for us in 2013. He virtually carried Yaya for his last 2 seasons. I and lots other blues soon saw a very special player unfolding before our eyes, way before the media and clubs/fans picked up on him and how good he was. I remember justifying Ferno's importance with an Everton fan about 7 seasons ago on their main forum, GOT. I couldn't get it into his thick scouse head how good Ferno was then and how good he would become. He wasn't having any of it claiming he was an overrated average player.
But as far as history goes, Dihno's history has always been one of ups and downs. Even though many pretend otherwise.
Like I keep having to remind so many, in 2 of our first 3 Titles with Dihno, he was benched during the run in. 1st for Garcia under Pellegrini, and then for Gundogan under Pep for the 14 game winning run to pip Liverpool to the title
Again, there were periods when he was unplayable and one of the best DMs in the game. But he also has lows, many poor starts to seasons and many poor finishes (including getting benched as already described.)
Yes, between 2016-2019 he hit a level of excellence . especially 2017-2018
Again, a lot of myths here: Again, I'll repeat just for clarity, in 2 of the initial 3 Titles he won with City, he was only key in the run in for 1 or them. The Centurion season. And that was his best season ever. In other seasons he was comfortably replaced and we still win titles.I've said it a few times in the past that he was once our most important player because we had nobody else to replace him, and whenever he was out of the side whoever did replace it was a downgrade on quality and experience of such a crucial position. He even deputised the best part of a season as a CB and hardly made a real mistake that cost us. Most mistakes he has made has been his hot headedness which he calmed down somewhat the last few seasons.
He was average as a CB. But not his fault, age and a new position had more to do with that.
Nope! Rodri had at least 4 MOTM games that season. I kept pointing it out any time he was phenomenal. But back then his thread only got play when he played poorly. The Gundogan thread needed a new boo-boy and Rodri was it.I also said that Rodri wasn't fit to lace 'dino's boots and never would be because i could not see how such a slow plodder who turned slower than milk could make it in this league because he had limited and negative passing range.
His first season he was mostly dreadful and it wasn't until around halfway last season he started to show us he may just be cut out for this league.
You all were wrong then, and its no surprise that you are shocked now by his performance. Yes, he is better now, but he was always good.
Happy you've come around. But like I said, you saw it wrong initially. And lots of that to be honest has to do with Dihno.This season he has been an absolute revelation which I am so pleased to see. Rhodri has improved almost every attribute of his game beyond recognition of his first season. I think fernandinho has definitely been mentoring him because he is now looking such an accomplished player in such a short time.
Right now i cannot think of a City player past or present who has gone from zero to hero in such a short time, and Rodri is definitely worthy of hero status right now. Infact he has become a really important and dependable player we look for on the team sheet. Wow, its a remarkable achievement and I'll quite happily scoff another slice of humble pie for getting it wrong.
But im not a "told ya so"(in hindsight) fence sitter. I say it as I see it at the time, and at the time Rodri was nowhere near the same player he is today in his first 18 months.
It happens a lot when we get a new player in the position of a legend, folks often shit on the player his first season. As they keep trying to compare him to the very best if the legend. Same happened with Debruyne too when he first got here.
But anyway, my original point stands... In 2019/20 Rodri was already a better DM than Dihno. Not the Dihno of 2016/17 but the Dihno I'd 2019/20.
FromPollockToSilva
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Mate, i admire you for your wumming because you cannot be serious, as John McEnroe once said: )
"And too many rated who was better simply on who could crack an opponent". Lol.
Anyone who rated a player for cracking an opponent is a numpty, you sure anyone actually said that pal because i can't recall reading anyone being so daft ?
Fernandinho has been colossal for us since he signed for us in 2013. He virtually carried Yaya for his last 2 seasons. I and lots other blues soon saw a very special player unfolding before our eyes, way before the media and clubs/fans picked up on him and how good he was. I remember justifying Ferno's importance with an Everton fan about 7 seasons ago on their main forum, GOT. I couldn't get it into his thick scouse head how good Ferno was then and how good he would become. He wasn't having any of it claiming he was an overrated average player.
I've said it a few times in the past that he was once our most important player because we had nobody else to replace him, and whenever he was out of the side whoever did replace it was a downgrade on quality and experience of such a crucial position. He even deputised the best part of a season as a CB and hardly made a real mistake that cost us. Most mistakes he has made has been his hot headedness which he calmed down somewhat the last few seasons.
I also said that Rodri wasn't fit to lace 'dino's boots and never would be because i could not see how such a slow plodder who turned slower than milk could make it in this league because he had limited and negative passing range.
His first season he was mostly dreadful and it wasn't until around halfway last season he started to show us he may just be cut out for this league.
This season he has been an absolute revelation which I am so pleased to see. Rhodri has improved almost every attribute of his game beyond recognition of his first season. I think fernandinho has definitely been mentoring him because he is now looking such an accomplished player in such a short time.
Right now i cannot think of a City player past or present who has gone from zero to hero in such a short time, and Rodri is definitely worthy of hero status right now. Infact he has become a really important and dependable player we look for on the team sheet. Wow, its a remarkable achievement and I'll quite happily scoff another slice of humble pie for getting it wrong.
But im not a "told ya so"(in hindsight) fence sitter. I say it as I see it at the time, and at the time Rodri was nowhere near the same player he is today in his first 18 months.
This is a lot of paragraphs when you could have just said "I can't spot a player's potential"
Plenty of people saw that Rodri had all the tools from day one, he just needed to adapt, learn, and improve. What you (and many others, it has to be said) saw as "dreadful," was simply someone learning on the job. Have you ever seen someone learning something? They make mistakes sometimes. That's the best way to learn
Rodri's best games in his first season made me very confident that he would grow into being a key player for us. His form for the majority of last season, especially the long winning run, was excellent. This season he has gone up another level, because he's gaining experience and being coached by the greatest manager of his generation every day. That's the progression I expected from him based on what we signed in 2019, and he has not disappointed me one bit
BlueMoonRisin’
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Ah, another ''told you so" type post. I'll eat another 2 slices of humble pie for you and Dax if it makes you both feel better; )This is a lot of paragraphs when you could have just said "I can't spot a player's potential"
Plenty of people saw that Rodri had all the tools from day one, he just needed to adapt, learn, and improve. What you (and many others, it has to be said) saw as "dreadful," was simply someone learning on the job. Have you ever seen someone learning something? They make mistakes sometimes. That's the best way to learn
Rodri's best games in his first season made me very confident that he would grow into being a key player for us. His form for the majority of last season, especially the long winning run, was excellent. This season he has gone up another level, because he's gaining experience and being coached by the greatest manager of his generation every day. That's the progression I expected from him based on what we signed in 2019, and he has not disappointed me one bit
FromPollockToSilva
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Ah, another ''told you so" type post. I'll eat another 2 slices of humble pie for you and Dax if it makes you both feel better; )
No need to shovel down humility pastry on my account, old boy. Just a reminder that new players need time and replacing bona fide legends isn’t an overnight process
Nope. This isn't an 'I told you so'. I was simply correcting the history book. I apologize if it came off like an I told you so. Wasn't my intent.Ah, another ''told you so" type post. I'll eat another 2 slices of humble pie for you and Dax if it makes you both feel better; )
Tbh if your assessment of him never turning out to be good was wrong, how can we trust your assessment that he was mostly dreadful for a spell either?Ah, another ''told you so" type post. I'll eat another 2 slices of humble pie for you and Dax if it makes you both feel better; )
BlueMoonRisin’
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No worries pal. We all have different opinions and that's why this forum is for such good debate.Nope. This isn't an 'I told you so'. I was simply correcting the history book. I apologize if it came off like an I told you so. Wasn't my intent.
I didn't actually him him never turning out to be good, i said I thought he would fail to adapt to our style and demands of the PL. I once said he would probably be an excellent player in la Liga or Serie a. But players change for better or worse and our opinions change.Tbh if your assessment of him never turning out to be good was wrong, how can we trust your assessment that he was mostly dreadful for a spell either?
I feel as though I constantly having to justify my opinions are futile and will never appease some posters so I think it's best to just leave it there.
Rodri has improved beyond all recognition as far as I'm concerned and I must say I'm delighted for him
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