Coronavirus (2022) thread

[SWP's back]

I’ve just seen this tweet posted on Facebook by someone I’m fairly good friends with (though not actually seen him in about 10 years).

Is it even remotely true? My initial thought is that it’s bullshit but if anyone has a good resource I can reply with as I can’t find the original data.



Edit. Found the data:

Deaths from COVID-19 of people with no underlying health conditions by age - Office for National Statistics

 

[Scottyboi]

I’ve just seen this tweet posted on Facebook by someone I’m fairly good friends with (though not actually seen him in about 10 years).

Is it even remotely true? My initial thought is that it’s bullshit but if anyone has a good resource I can reply with as I can’t find the original data.



Edit. Found the data:

Deaths from COVID-19 of people with no underlying health conditions by age - Office for National Statistics

Should have not locked down and used covid to solve our impending social care crisis.

That Dan Wooton is awful talks like people with pre existing conditions don't matter.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I’ve just seen this tweet posted on Facebook by someone I’m fairly good friends with (though not actually seen him in about 10 years).

Is it even remotely true? My initial thought is that it’s bullshit but if anyone has a good resource I can reply with as I can’t find the original data.



Edit. Found the data:

Deaths from COVID-19 of people with no underlying health conditions by age - Office for National Statistics

1 in 3 people in the UK have a health condition (eg 8 million have asthma).

also what about the excess deaths in 2020 compared to previous years? 100,000+ higher than normal

GB News sways slightly down the anti covid/anti vax route and that presenter is a total moron

 

[west didsblue]

Should have not locked down and used covid to solve our impending social care crisis.

That Dan Wooton is awful talks like people with pre existing conditions don't matter.

His pre-existing condition is that he’s a ****.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It's about to be scrapped, due to be announced next week and implemented from February.
I assume this will be for all fully vaccinated arrivals and not just nationals returning home from abroad, but no confirmation either way just yet.

Even if there remains a 48 hour testing requirement for foreign arrivals, no-one gives a fuck.

Thanks very much for the update and I look forward to that happening. I appreciate it.

 

[SWP's back]

1 in 3 people in the UK have a health condition (eg 8 million have asthma).

also what about the excess deaths in 2020 compared to previous years? 100,000+ higher than normal

GB News sways slightly down the anti covid/anti vax route and that presenter is a total moron

Yeah that’s what I replied with and that the excess deaths is some 156,000. Also reminded him that both his parents have underlying conditions as does his sister.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Numbers for countries are 'all over the place' ratio of deaths per pop score from major nations in many instances both in cases and/or deaths just don't look right.

Cases are obviously from the amount of testing being done I'd guess most countries would have had near enough the same percentage of infections but declared figures don't show that.

As for deaths, a death is a death but not all are counted the same way, they just can't be with the variations of cumulative numbers across countries.

 

[blueinsa]

I’ve just seen this tweet posted on Facebook by someone I’m fairly good friends with (though not actually seen him in about 10 years).

Is it even remotely true? My initial thought is that it’s bullshit but if anyone has a good resource I can reply with as I can’t find the original data.



Edit. Found the data:

Deaths from COVID-19 of people with no underlying health conditions by age - Office for National Statistics

I said from very early on, the lesson from this pandemic will be our health in general and the way as a society we over eat, smoke and let ourselves get Ill with things like diabetes and obesity and then we wonder why we die early and demand it’s not allowed and so unfair.

Seems the actual numbers and not the scare story numbers are beginning to show that.

Wooton is a knob but the ONS isn’t.

 

[Octavian]

Wooton is a knob but the ONS isn’t.

I dunno… he was trying it on with my mrs in the boozer last week that ONS fella

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I’ve just seen this tweet posted on Facebook by someone I’m fairly good friends with (though not actually seen him in about 10 years).

Is it even remotely true? My initial thought is that it’s bullshit but if anyone has a good resource I can reply with as I can’t find the original data.



Edit. Found the data:

Deaths from COVID-19 of people with no underlying health conditions by age - Office for National Statistics

So they are two different things.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I said from very early on, the lesson from this pandemic will be our health in general and the way as a society we over eat, smoke and let ourselves get Ill with things like diabetes and obesity and then we wonder why we die early and demand it’s not allowed and so unfair.

Seems the actual numbers and not the scare story numbers are beginning to show that.

Wooton is a knob but the ONS isn’t.

So people aren’t worth saving if they’ve got asthma FFS.

Operation “big dog” and “red meat” had brought out its target audience.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

More detail about deaths including underlying conditions.

 

[Rammy Blue]

So people aren’t worth saving if they’ve got asthma FFS.

He didn’t say that did he.

 

[Indaparkside]

He didn’t say that did he.

OK so it's alright if you have diabetes then not all diabetics get it from being fat and lazy

 

[SPIDERBOY]

OK so it's alright if you have diabetes then not all diabetics get it from being fat and lazy

Correct,you can get diabetes from an early age.
I also have diabetes,never been lazy and never been over weight.

 

[SWP's back]

So people aren’t worth saving if they’ve got asthma FFS.

Where does he say that?

 

[grunge]

I said from very early on, the lesson from this pandemic will be our health in general and the way as a society we over eat, smoke and let ourselves get Ill with things like diabetes and obesity and then we wonder why we die early and demand it’s not allowed and so unfair.

Seems the actual numbers and not the scare story numbers are beginning to show that.

Wooton is a knob but the ONS isn’t.

While I dont doubt this may help bring some issues to the fore front. there are a large chunk of these pre existing conditions that cannot just be dieted/exercised away or fixed with a healthy life style.

the top 20 pre existing conditions. Mostly it was a combination of many of these.

Diabetes​

Chronic lower respiratory diseases​

Hypertensive diseases​

Diseases of the urinary system​

Ischaemic heart diseases​

Symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions​

Dementia and Alzheimer's disease​

Heart failure and complications and ill-defined heart disease​

Cardiac arrhythmias​

Cerebrovascular diseases​

Diseases of the musculoskeletal system and connective tissue​

Malignant neoplasms of lymphoid haematopoietic and related tissue​

Obesity​

Pulmonary oedema and other intestinal pulmonary diseases​

Pulmonary heart disease and diseases of pulmonary circulation​

Transplanted organ and tissue status​

Cirrhosis and other diseases of liver​

Nonrheumatic valve disorders​

Parkinson's disease​

Malignant neoplasm of trachea bronchus and lung​

COVID-19 cases with no pre-existing conditions​

COVID-19 cases with pre-existing conditions, but none ranked in the top 20​

Diabetes: was in 22% of all cases, but it doesn't differentiate between type 1 and type 2. and the older you get the more likely you are to end up with Diabetes. Healthy or not. 15% of those between 65-84 have it.

Chronic lower respiratory diseases: Was in about 20% of cases, Some of that will be smoking, some will be asthma that has extended into COPD etc. Thing is, Smoking and giving up? the damage is already done. My Mum has COPD from smoking, she got it about 10 years ago. but gave up smoking 30 years prior to getting COPD.

Symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions : Bit of a general catch all there? I assume this is stuff like IBS where people have stomach issues but doctors have no idea what.

All in all, A healthy lifestyle will help but it wont stop the majority of pre existing conditions as you get older. Pretty much anyone over about 60 will have some condition or another no matter how healthy they are.

Pollution is probably as bigger a driver than healthy lifestyles.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

He didn’t say that did he.

Fair enough and I’ve seen his following comments they were helpful.

 

[andyhinch]

Correct,you can get diabetes from an early age.
I also have diabetes,never been lazy and never been over weight.

I’m fat a lazy but haven’t got diabetes, not sure where that leaves me tbh.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Where does he say that?

Surely, the inference is that people with underlying conditions don’t really count.

There’s a lot of peole claiming they were right all along (particularly in the media) when maybe the best course of action would be to just crack on with the rest of their lives.