Coronavirus (2022) thread

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A bit of discussion on the thread today as to how we've done as a country, some focus on 2021 vs 2022. Perhaps some facts and figures might help - here without any commentary on what the causes of the differences are, or might be.

Vaccination is much talked of, restrictions too, and deaths are probably the most objective way to look at disease toll (as cases are testing dependent, and hospitalisation definitions vary rather widely). So here the facts on those, for the biggest Western European countries, plus Denmark, just because most people think Denmark have done a very good job by European standards.

Disease toll - Deaths:
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2020 we were pretty much tied with Spain and Italy for worst. France did a bit better, Germany and Denmark a lot better

2021 Italy were a bit worse than us, all the others a bit better, except Denmark a lot better

Vaccination - fully vaxxed as a % of population:
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We started the fastest, but ended up the least vaccinated of all these countries. Spain and Denmark are top Related, we're currently ahead on boosters except for Denmark

Restrictions

A bit harder to define, but ourworldindata does a "stringency index". It looks a bit like a plate of spaghetti unfortunately. A higher number is more restrictions.

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We're currently in the middle, but a long way below Germany. Most of 2020 we were near the top, most of the second half of 2021, near the bottom. Our second lockdown early '21 stands out as rather severe, perhaps.

Comparisons to other continents look quite different.
 
M18CTID said:
Well if you'd bothered to read my post properly, you'd have seen that I have little time for the decisions they made in 2020 but got their act together more last year. That doesn't mean I'm a fan of this government by any means - far from it.
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I did read your post properly, I was making the general observation that they have not done well at all, in fact poorly overall in my opinion. Deaths, vaccinations and costs very poor performance to say the least !
 
M18CTID said:
I can't wrap my head around how they're getting that many cases a day over there. I'd imagine immunity levels due to vaccination and prior infection are broadly similar to the UK, yet France are getting over double the number of cases that we were at our peak the other week, plus they've had loads of days of 300k/350k case numbers recently too. I wouldn't have thought they were testing more than us, unless their booster rollout is way behind ours and that's been the reason for these astronomical figures?
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France and other EU nations put a lid on Delta infections by continuing with some restrictions. We didn't and there have been 20m Delta cases in the UK since June. Delta infection + jabs gives is proven to give a much higher immunity than jabs alone.
So my guess is Omicron waves on the continent could be twice the size of the UK in countries that persisted with restrictions.
Looks like Valance's plan has worked to some degree.
Not great for health services being able to cope and extra restrictions will have to persist for a long time.
AZ T-Cell immunity may also reduce symptoms, but we will never know because of the reduced number of Delta cases.
They were already struggling with a wimter Delta wave so the upside is the milder Omicron sweets it away.
But restrictions will just put a lid on case numbers in many places and trigger another Omicron wave in the summer.
 
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Indaparkside said:
Your just a couple of pages to late with that story
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That story doesn't ring true to me. It claims she was feeling fine but then she had back pain and lay down for 10 minutes and "choked to death." There is not a single quote in the story which confirms a medical diagnosis. There is nothing to substantiate the claims. As a triple-jabbed pro-vaxxer there is a dark part of me that wants it to be true but I think it is probably bollocks...something the BBC does very well these days.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
That story doesn't ring true to me. It claims she was feeling fine but then she had back pain and lay down for 10 minutes and "choked to death." There is not a single quote in the story which confirms a medical diagnosis. There is nothing to substantiate the claims. As a triple-jabbed pro-vaxxer there is a dark part of me that wants it to be true but I think it is probably bollocks...something the BBC does very well these days.
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It's been on the news over here quite a bit so can't see it being a load of bollocks.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
It's been on the news over here quite a bit so can't see it being a load of bollocks.
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Fair enough but the BBC online story does not have any verification from any medical source and no mention of a post mortem report. I am not a doctor but it sounds like a very sudden death with no Covid symptoms so how do they know it was Covid?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Fair enough but the BBC online story does not have any verification from any medical source and no mention of a post mortem report. I am not a doctor but it sounds like a very sudden death with no Covid symptoms so how do they know it was Covid?
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They were interviewing a doctor on TV about it who confirmed that she had Covid (as did her family). I didn't pay much attention to the rest though as I was busy at the time. I suspect there will be a PM to confirm but she was apparently otherwise healthy so it looks like Covid was a factor.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
A bit of discussion on the thread today as to how we've done as a country, some focus on 2021 vs 2022. Perhaps some facts and figures might help - here without any commentary on what the causes of the differences are, or might be.

Vaccination is much talked of, restrictions too, and deaths are probably the most objective way to look at disease toll (as cases are testing dependent, and hospitalisation definitions vary rather widely). So here the facts on those, for the biggest Western European countries, plus Denmark, just because most people think Denmark have done a very good job by European standards.

Disease toll - Deaths:
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2020 we were pretty much tied with Spain and Italy for worst. France did a bit better, Germany and Denmark a lot better

2021 Italy were a bit worse than us, all the others a bit better, except Denmark a lot better

Vaccination - fully vaxxed as a % of population:
View attachment 34816

We started the fastest, but ended up the least vaccinated of all these countries. Spain and Denmark are top Related, we're currently ahead on boosters except for Denmark

Restrictions

A bit harder to define, but ourworldindata does a "stringency index". It looks a bit like a plate of spaghetti unfortunately. A higher number is more restrictions.

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We're currently in the middle, but a long way below Germany. Most of 2020 we were near the top, most of the second half of 2021, near the bottom. Our second lockdown early '21 stands out as rather severe, perhaps.

Comparisons to other continents look quite different.
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Nice to see you excluded Central and Eastern Europe from your graphs.
We are doing better than Italy and the above missing countries, but Italy got hammered early doors and we didn't take note early enough to lock down as a result of following a crap pandemic plan.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Nice to see you excluded Central and Eastern Europe from your graphs
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As I said, I specifically picked the largest Western European countries. Those most similar to us overall.

If you think we should be in the same league as Bulgaria, be my guest, post the comparisons.

If I wanted to make us look good, I'd choose Peru. To make us look bad, Japan. Or within Europe, Romania/Finland.

Without controversy, I think it's fair to say when looking at those objective measures, against similar countries, that there is no cause for triumphalism.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
For a Yank planning/hoping on coming to the UK in early April -- any sense whether the requirements to test within 48 hours after arrival will be scrapped?

I have to say that's the biggest worry I have -- negative before I go, catch it in transit, and am forced to stay in a room for 8 days of a 10 day trip.

I'm vaxxed and boosted if that makes any difference which I doubt.
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It's about to be scrapped, due to be announced next week and implemented from February.
I assume this will be for all fully vaccinated arrivals and not just nationals returning home from abroad, but no confirmation either way just yet.

Even if there remains a 48 hour testing requirement for foreign arrivals, no-one gives a fuck.
 
Not sure the government are overly arsed anymore, I tested positive this morning and am off work rest of the week, and had to cancel going to southampton, but should be in monday with this 5 day rule.

Would expect even positive tests will have no isolation soon, and tough tits if you are unvacinated
 
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urban genie said:
Not sure the government are overly arsed anymore, I tested posotove this morning and am off work rest of the week, and had to cancel going to southampton, but should be in monday with this 5 day rule.

Would expect even positive tests will have no isolation soon, and tough tits if you are unvacinated
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It’ll be a case of if you are “ill” then stay at home but otherwise crack on, and rightly so.

I‘d have been embarrassed in any normal world to take the week off before Xmas that I did for a sniffle, I was right as rain.
 
Rammy Blue said:
It’ll be a case of if you are “ill” then stay at home but otherwise crack on, and rightly so.

I‘d have been embarrassed in any normal world to take the week off before Xmas that I did for a sniffle, I was right as rain.
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I never take time off when I have a sniffle either, but rules is rules atm especially as I work in education, not got any of the symptoms, just joint and back ache.
Test was one of the weekly ones I take.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
"Sajid Javid’s axing of all Covid restrictions draws warnings from NHS | Coronavirus | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2...ll-covid-restrictions-draws-warnings-from-nhs

Let it go. Let it gooo...
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Hardly any restrictions left anyway. Just think keeping masks on public transport makes a bit of sense but if that goes with the rest, so be it.

I found it funny who the Government were targeting to increase its popularity with operations “red meat” and “big dog”. Maybe I haven’t got the names quite right lol.
 
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