City & FFP | 2020/21 Accounts released | Revenues of £569.8m, £2.4m profit (p 2395)

[Keeper!]

I think they're reopening the case from 1906 to see if there's anything there they can pin on us.

Now your been stupid, football only started in 1992.

 

[Stoned Rose]

Piss-can is still getting paid millions to haunt the place. Rentaghost

Mr Claypole likes this.

 

[Dadsupportedthem]

I haven't been keeping up here. Is all this likely to blow up again ffs? There was me drinking in Pep's comments and feeling all fluffy.

 

[asahartford1]

I think they're reopening the case from 1906 to see if there's anything there they can pin on us.

I should think every Premier league club have financial skeletons in the accounts cupboard.
Everton finance looks dodgy, Liverpool lost 50 million down a black hole developing a new stadium that didn't exist. Glazers accounts are lost in a world of tax havens.
City get investigated

 

[WRicko]

As you rightly say, Projectriver is the authority on this.

My interpretation of the judge's comments, which may be wrong, is based on many years experience of fraud investigation and, in particular, requiring production of documents under statutory powers. I have experience of subjects of enquiry using every method at their disposal, including Court hearings, to avoid producing documents for both honest and dishonest reasons. In our case, given that the enquiry is no more than a witch-hunt I'd have been disappointed if the club hadn't objected in every way possible.

The fact is, the PL have learned from UEFA and are watertight as far as leaks are concerned so nobody knows sufficient to answer your questions. All we do know is what was in the published judgements which Projectriver dealt with as fully as possible at the time.

An independent enquiry is (supposed to be) just that. The point is that (in theory) no "guilt: is assumed so no evidence of wrongdoing is required to launch an enquiry, suspicion is sufficient to ask for more information so that a conclusion can be reached. As far as I can see, it is established that under PL rules, they are entitled to ask for documents which they have done. We've said no and objected to the panel appointed to arbitrate.

On the face of it, based on what we can tell from the Judgement, it looks as though any delay is down to us for not co-operating. You can't then turn round and blame the investigating party for not concluding a case when documents it has requested haven't been produced much as we would like to.

Whether the enquiry is "impartial" and has been conducted fairly will, doubtless, be the subject of Court proceedings if (when) the PL decides it has enough evidence to take action against us.


So, the Daily Mail had nothing whatsoever to do with my post and you clearly have not read, or not understood, the Court case.

Surely they have to say what sort of documents they want and what parts of the documents they want what it is they are looking for why they have suspicions ? We have already been cleared once and surely the panel has to be impartial

At the moment it seems like they don’t know what we may have done don’t know what they want to see and it won’t be looked at independently

On that basis surely we are with in our right to refuse

 

[FrankSwift1]

But the PL so called enquiry goes on. Started almost three years ago in response to a complaint from, guess who, it has yet to allege any breach. Surely this in in the realms of harassment by now

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't there a time barr on some of these potential charges so the delay is actually helpful for us?

Hopefully we'll get off on another 'technicality' ;)

 

[Newman Noggs]

Surely they have to say what sort of documents they want and what parts of the documents they want what it is they are looking for why they have suspicions ? We have already been cleared once and surely the panel has to be impartial

At the moment it seems like they don’t know what we may have done don’t know what they want to see and it won’t be looked at independently

On that basis surely we are with in our right to refuse

To honest people, yes.

 

[jrb]

And so it continues from the Red Shirts and their followers.

United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea? No6?

“There’s no doubt pressure on the Premier League from a group of clubs who are trying to address Man City,” he told Football Insider‘s Adam Williams.

“City, in the view of these clubs, are far too successful. They have fantastic recruitment and strategic policy. Everybody is rowing in the same direction.

“They are outperforming other clubs with similar incomes. This is a backdoor way of trying to rein them in.

“The clubs who wrote to the Premier League over City’s initial Uefa ban are trying to give them extra bullets in their pursuit of City.

“While Uefa’s investigation into City is over, it looks as though the Premier League’s investigation is still ongoing.

“Ther are clubs who are gunning for Man City. There’s clearly some bad blood between the sneaky six.”

Man City targeted by PL rivals as law firm speak out - Maguire

Football Insider has been told by Kieran Maguire that Man City are being targeted by their Premier League rivals over new third-party legislation.

www.footballinsider247.com

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

And so it continues from the Red Shirts and their followers.

United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea? No6?

“There’s no doubt pressure on the Premier League from a group of clubs who are trying to address Man City,” he told Football Insider‘s Adam Williams.

“City, in the view of these clubs, are far too successful. They have fantastic recruitment and strategic policy. Everybody is rowing in the same direction.

“They are outperforming other clubs with similar incomes. This is a backdoor way of trying to rein them in.

“The clubs who wrote to the Premier League over City’s initial Uefa ban are trying to give them extra bullets in their pursuit of City.

“While Uefa’s investigation into City is over, it looks as though the Premier League’s investigation is still ongoing.

“Ther are clubs who are gunning for Man City. There’s clearly some bad blood between the sneaky six.”

Man City targeted by PL rivals as law firm speak out - Maguire

Football Insider has been told by Kieran Maguire that Man City are being targeted by their Premier League rivals over new third-party legislation.

www.footballinsider247.com

Everton? (Don't laugh.)

 

[SatOnTheWall]

I think they mean us, as one of the six esl teams.

How sad is it that they are as much as admitting they are not competent enough to compete with us fairly and squarely on the field of play. And how sad is it that those that run English football have caved in to pressure from septic wankers attacking the notions of sporting fair play and the freedom to spend your own money how you see fit. They are simply not capable of beating us at football so they have tried to change the rules of the game so they have a chance. It is utterly disgusting and despicable.

And they are still losing.

Tough shit, you spiteful, loathsome, cheating, transatlantic turds.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

And so it continues from the Red Shirts and their followers.

United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea? No6?

“There’s no doubt pressure on the Premier League from a group of clubs who are trying to address Man City,” he told Football Insider‘s Adam Williams.

“City, in the view of these clubs, are far too successful. They have fantastic recruitment and strategic policy. Everybody is rowing in the same direction.

“They are outperforming other clubs with similar incomes. This is a backdoor way of trying to rein them in.

“The clubs who wrote to the Premier League over City’s initial Uefa ban are trying to give them extra bullets in their pursuit of City.

“While Uefa’s investigation into City is over, it looks as though the Premier League’s investigation is still ongoing.

“Ther are clubs who are gunning for Man City. There’s clearly some bad blood between the sneaky six.”

Man City targeted by PL rivals as law firm speak out - Maguire

Football Insider has been told by Kieran Maguire that Man City are being targeted by their Premier League rivals over new third-party legislation.

www.footballinsider247.com

It seems obvious to me that It's City - the 6 are the super league clubs.

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

I belive MCFC and our chairman are perfectly aware of the agenda and motives of these wankers and have been taking whatever action is necessary. Long term I expect there to be only one winner. The problem with these twats is they think they are dealing with some camel jockey caricature whereas the truth is we are run by some of the world's most astute business minds with power, wealth and acumen. Sufficient enough to deal with these fucking pretenders writing their pathetic letters. I know who my money is on.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I should think every Premier league club have financial skeletons in the accounts cupboard.
Everton finance looks dodgy, Liverpool lost 50 million down a black hole developing a new stadium that didn't exist. Glazers accounts are lost in a world of tax havens.
City get investigated

I think our time is up, they've found our Achilles heel, millions in fines, points deducted, all because of the day we ran out of chips !

 

[Keeper!]

I belive MCFC and our chairman are perfectly aware of the agenda and motives of these wankers and have been taking whatever action is necessary. Long term I expect there to be only one winner. The problem with these twats is they think they are dealing with some camel jockey caricature whereas the truth is we are run by some of the world's most astute business minds with power, wealth and acumen. Sufficient enough to deal with these fucking pretenders writing their pathetic letters. I know who my money is on.

I think the way we played the rags on Sanchez, Maguire, Fred and Ronaldo tells your everything.

Revenge is sweet and comes in many forms.

 

[Citizen Green]

My expectation with this PL investigation is as follows:

- They will charge us with some sort of wrongdoing after yet more lobbying from our rivals
- There will be some sort of settlement between us & the PL to draw a line in the sand as both parties clearly want this done with, probably with some sort of fine or withholding of PL revenues to us
- If City refuse the above it'll go down the CAS route (not sure where in the UK or if possible) & we'll end up with another fine for non-cooperation.

Most of this is based purely of the article Slbsn did in the Daily Mail.

 

[Centurions]

My expectation with this PL investigation is as follows:

- They will charge us with some sort of wrongdoing after yet more lobbying from our rivals
- There will be some sort of settlement between us & the PL to draw a line in the sand as both parties clearly want this done with, probably with some sort of fine or withholding of PL revenues to us
- If City refuse the above it'll go down the CAS route (not sure where in the UK or if possible) & we'll end up with another fine for non-cooperation.

Most of this is based purely of the article Slbsn did in the Daily Mail.

Don't think we can use CAS over a dispute with the PL.

 

[Centurions]

And so it continues from the Red Shirts and their followers.

United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea? No6?

“There’s no doubt pressure on the Premier League from a group of clubs who are trying to address Man City,” he told Football Insider‘s Adam Williams.

“City, in the view of these clubs, are far too successful. They have fantastic recruitment and strategic policy. Everybody is rowing in the same direction.

“They are outperforming other clubs with similar incomes. This is a backdoor way of trying to rein them in.

“The clubs who wrote to the Premier League over City’s initial Uefa ban are trying to give them extra bullets in their pursuit of City.

“While Uefa’s investigation into City is over, it looks as though the Premier League’s investigation is still ongoing.

“Ther are clubs who are gunning for Man City. There’s clearly some bad blood between the sneaky six.”

Man City targeted by PL rivals as law firm speak out - Maguire

Football Insider has been told by Kieran Maguire that Man City are being targeted by their Premier League rivals over new third-party legislation.

www.footballinsider247.com

I don't get this article at all. It may be that they're worried about deals between City and the other CFG clubs but I think they're few and far between anyway.

"Law firm Brabners reported on Monday (17 January) that the league has demanded details from all clubs of third party deals dating back to 2016.

Every transaction over £100,000, excluding player transfers, will be scrutinised for fair market value.

The aim is to prevent clubs from using covert methods to bypass profit and sustainability regulations.

Maguire argues that the demand for backdated details looks like a pointed attack on City."

Surely the above would terrify Chelsea above everyone else? And what about Coutinhoe's £146 million transfer?

 

[cookster]

And so it continues from the Red Shirts and their followers.

United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea? No6?

“There’s no doubt pressure on the Premier League from a group of clubs who are trying to address Man City,” he told Football Insider‘s Adam Williams.

“City, in the view of these clubs, are far too successful. They have fantastic recruitment and strategic policy. Everybody is rowing in the same direction.

“They are outperforming other clubs with similar incomes. This is a backdoor way of trying to rein them in.

“The clubs who wrote to the Premier League over City’s initial Uefa ban are trying to give them extra bullets in their pursuit of City.

“While Uefa’s investigation into City is over, it looks as though the Premier League’s investigation is still ongoing.

“Ther are clubs who are gunning for Man City. There’s clearly some bad blood between the sneaky six.”

Man City targeted by PL rivals as law firm speak out - Maguire

Football Insider has been told by Kieran Maguire that Man City are being targeted by their Premier League rivals over new third-party legislation.

www.footballinsider247.com

TBH that looks like rehash of what we already know.

 

[Norbiton]

And what about Coutinhoe's £146 million transfer?

That may be why they’re excluding player transfers. Though I’m not sure what other third party transactions might be of dubious value. Surely sponsorships involve only two parties.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

TBH that looks like rehash of what we already know.

This.

Law firm Brabners might have reported these details on the 17th Jan but there isn't anything new in there that wasn't posted in this thread before Xmas.

Also I think we have already passed the deadline for PL clubs to have given the league details of the historic sponsorships. The deadline was sometime the middle of this iirc but cba looking for the exact date.

Doesn't alter the fact that it is all BS and the usual suspects will always want to stir, sling mud etc.