Neil Young demands Spotify remove his music.

berniethebusman said:
Yet remains on Apple? The most valuable company in the world? and morally bankrupt to boot. Such a principled man, i wish i could be as principled as him.
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wayne71 said:
Speaking of the who (yes I realise you didn’t mean them) I assume young hasn’t had any issues sharing a platform with convicted sex offenders for the last few years?
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Citizen of Legoland said:
Well IF he’s a man of his word, he’ll pull his music from Amazon because their platform hosts a weekly roundup of the same Spotify podcast, has links directly back to the daily shows on Spotify, links to Rogan’s website, his instagram and his sponsors, which seems to be an online psychiatrist/counselling service and loads more sources.

I’m not one of them guys by the way. Just wondering where Neil’s going with this.

I just hope he hasn’t noticed the Steve Bannon podcast on Apple.
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You are all literally this cartoon...

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Bill Walker said:
LoL you guys
There always has to be a conspiracy theory of sorts.
Pathetic.
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Maybe people would have liked it better if Young had said, "I really don't like Rogan helping to misinform the public about vaccines, but I'm making too much money on Spotify to do anything about it."

Even better would have been "I really don't like Rogan helping to misinform the public about vaccines, but I really need the money I get from Spotify just to live, so I really can't say anything about it."

The guy sacrifices a bunch of money to make a point (and a fairly important one IMO) -- the kind of thing we'd be proud of our kids for doing -- and yet he's being criticized for how he did it, who he did it to, what he did, and why he did it.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
I don't know, and I don't care, and it doesn't matter in the least. When Neil Young specifically says he is or is not boycotting Amazon or Apple (or Ivory Soap or the entire fucking internet because Rogan uses them too) then we can look into whether or not the thinly-disguised "he's a hypocrite" or "he's lying about why he's leaving" accusations have merit.

It's his choice to leave for whatever reasons he wants or says he wants, as it is Spotify's to keep Rogan.

If you need an answer right away for some reason, I'd suggest that Spotify paying Rogan $100 million for an exclusive distribution agreement and Amazon not doing that has something to do with it, but I could be wrong.
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I agree he can do what he wants but his reason was (via Forbes.com, according to his original now-deleted letter) …

“He accused the platform of “spreading fake information about vaccines - potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation” through Rogan’s podcast.”

The cost of what Spotify paid is irrelevant then. I don’t know, something ain’t right about it. I back his decision to pull his music for the reason he stated above, but he’s put a line in the sand now and he’s going to be tested on his views now.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
I agree he can do what he wants but his reason was (via Forbes.com, according to his original now-deleted letter) …

“He accused the platform of “spreading fake information about vaccines - potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation” through Rogan’s podcast.”

The cost of what Spotify paid is irrelevant then. I don’t know, something ain’t right about it. I back his decision to pull his music for the reason he stated above, but he’s put a line in the sand now and he’s going to be tested on his views now.
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Maybe that's the natural outcome of taking a stand for your principles -- risking being deemed a hypocrite unless you are simon pure to the entire satisfaction of the universe. Kind of like those who refuse to harm animals in any way, shape or form, but kill thousands of microscopic life forms whenever they take a shower and are therefore deemed hypocrites. Young's public life can't exist without distribution of his art, and someone might as well say he's a hypocrite for using the air to transmit sound waves because Rogan uses the air too.

More power to him for taking that risk and doing without the money as well.

To me this is simple: he put his line in the sand with Spotify, and they crossed it, and he left. Any other line put in the sand is one you or someone else drew until he says something else.
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
Maybe people would have liked it better if Young had said, "I really don't like Rogan helping to misinform the public about vaccines, but I'm making too much money on Spotify to do anything about it."

Even better would have been "I really don't like Rogan helping to misinform the public about vaccines, but I really need the money I get from Spotify just to live, so I really can't say anything about it."

The guy sacrifices a bunch of money to make a point (and a fairly important one IMO) -- the kind of thing we'd be proud of our kids for doing -- and yet he's being criticized for how he did it, who he did it to, what he did, and why he did it.
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I think if he gave all his money to charity some people would see a devious reason and slag him off for it.
 
billymumphrey said:
Laughable mate.

Deep down you know. Otherwise you wouldn't have caveated what you said with the classic "I’m not one of them guys by the way..."

Incriminated by your own admission!
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TBF I don't think CoL IS "one of them guys". He's raising a point about how far Young will go to defend his principles but I think the fact he did what he did is all that matters until and unless he does something else, and he should be applauded for it, not criticiz(s)ed. And if that's enough of a statement or Young for whatever reason, that should be good enough for anyone else.
 
Bill Walker said:
I think if he gave all his money to charity some people would see a devious reason and slag him off for it.
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I hope not. And the man has done a LOT for charity in these parts (The Bridge School Benefit was a big deal around Northern Cal). I don't think there's anti-Young bias really -- there's a hyper-sensitivity to "censorship" from an entire cadre of people who are confused about what the word means. And a few who legitimately like Rogan.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
And I think Neil in particular had problems with the quality of streaming in the past, had he not.
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He did - he didn't want the quality or depth of the music to be compromised and tried to launch something referred to as 'Truetone' which I believe was probably to set a benchmark of quality that the music should be streamed at (or similar).

On the money again for me........
 
bluemc1 said:
All the people offended and annoyed by Joe Rogan are the people who don’t listen to Joe Rogan
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The one thing I’m not surprised by is that you listen to him and think he’s ok. That’s why we have to then read your fucking shite on the covid thread.
People are annoyed by him because he’s a fucking wanker who spreads disinformation about a very serious subject that is lapped up by the stupid who walk the Earth.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Maybe people would have liked it better if Young had said, "I really don't like Rogan helping to misinform the public about vaccines, but I'm making too much money on Spotify to do anything about it."

Even better would have been "I really don't like Rogan helping to misinform the public about vaccines, but I really need the money I get from Spotify just to live, so I really can't say anything about it."

The guy sacrifices a bunch of money to make a point (and a fairly important one IMO) -- the kind of thing we'd be proud of our kids for doing -- and yet he's being criticized for how he did it, who he did it to, what he did, and why he did it.
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It does seem to come off as slightly skewed thinking doesn't it?
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It does. As I wrote -- a combination of hypersensitivity to/a misunderstanding of "censorship" with a few true Rogan believers sprinkled in.
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He’s done nothing wrong! Those getting themselves into a lather trying to make out it’s a big deal are just overthinking a very simple issue. His music, his choice to remove himself from a platform that encourages fruit loops to spout bullshit and misinformation on a regular basis.
He should be being lauded for his principles but as ever the contrary amongst us live for shit like this and love to get their faux disapproval in for what reasons, who the fuck knows?
 
Hmm, Mr Young, what is there to say? Is he broke? No, he has his songs on other platforms plus actually selling half of his rights earlier in Jan...

Okay, cool, so 'Hipgnosis' bought his music in a great deal and why would they buy his music? Because of Blackstone giving them the investment...

So? What's that got to do with the price of cheese? Well, it really depends on whether you have a 'moral' argument about all things that affect people...

Or just pick and choose...?

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*The last two links are personal blogs on Young (lumped in with others in the first blog) being hypocritical on social issues from a long time back. People like him don't really change, but they'll find a new spin, imo or play both sides.
 
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