Russian invasion of Ukraine

must admit, that's what i thought the poster meant. a nod to the fact that yes, they did annex mexico.

as for any hate towards the US, it's not hate, it's just annoyance that they actually believe all their "spreading freedom" bullshit.
As I've said before on here. I've been to a few states of different political persuasion and been looked after really well.

It's their politicians serving the corporations over the people they are elected to serve is their problem.
 
Imagine the US response if Mexico suddenly decided to join in a military alliance with Russia or China? Fucking no chance they would allow it. I have a soft spot for the US, lived there for two years and know some incredible people from there, but fuck me, they are scouse level delusional when it comes to self-awareness of how their conduct impacts the rest of the world.
That’s not remotely equivalent though as Russia already has two NATO members on its border and Ukraine isn’t remotely close to joining or NATO allowing it to join.

Russia is not scared that it’s about to be attacked.
 
That’s not remotely equivalent though as Russia already has two NATO members on its border and Ukraine isn’t remotely close to joining or NATO allowing it to join.

Russia is not scared that it’s about to be attacked.

Probably unrelated but Ukraine has a lot of gas, iron ore, nickel and the such. Estonia and Latvia export mud.
 
That’s not remotely equivalent though as Russia already has two NATO members on its border and Ukraine isn’t remotely close to joining or NATO allowing it to join.

Russia is not scared that it’s about to be attacked.
I'm sure Russia isn't scared it's about to be attacked, but they, like the US, don't want their major geopolitical rivals setting up shop in their backyard. The US has been involved with all sorts of shit in middle/south america over the years stopping popular governments they didn't like and there is zero question they have been in Ukraine stirring all sorts of shit there too. I'm not trying to paint the US as 'the baddies', I'm just saying that NATO trying to portray itself as some kind of gallant saviour of the world is fucking laughable. At least Putin's honest about how much of a **** he clearly is.
 
Putin, Jung un,Saddam, Gaddafi.

All cunts but we knew that because they were open about it.

Seems some leaders hide their cuntiness.
 
That’s not remotely equivalent though as Russia already has two NATO members on its border and Ukraine isn’t remotely close to joining or NATO allowing it to join.

Russia is not scared that it’s about to be attacked.
Indeed, Russia is still technically already at war with Eastern Ukraine as its funding separatists occupying the Donbas regions and it's still occupying territories in Georgia. It's also occupying Crimea because Crimea is internationally speaking still not part of Russia.

I'm not sure how many territories NATO is currently occupying or has ever occupied, none was my last count.
 
It’s interesting to see so much discussion of Russia and the USA but not so much about Ukraine. I think it is telling in all of this, Ukraine being used, as so many other countries have, as a surrogate. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and the wishes of its population is what matters imho. It is not for Russia, like a spurned, violent ex husband, or the US, as a new, manipulative suitor , to dictate it’s future.
 
Probably unrelated but Ukraine has a lot of gas, iron ore, nickel and the such. Estonia and Latvia export mud.
Metalblue. Apt user name for your comment. I don’t think it’s unrelated. As well as significant amounts of the more common types of natural resources the Ukraine has rare deposits of many of the new materials needed for modern technology production.

As a bargaining chip these deposits are maybe worth more in the longer term to the Russians than sanctions and threats against the new gas pipeline.

I would be more impressed with the U.K. response if successive governments had not already sold half of Londons real estate to our communist friends.
 
It’s interesting to see so much discussion of Russia and the USA but not so much about Ukraine. I think it is telling in all of this, Ukraine being used, as so many other countries have, as a surrogate. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and the wishes of its population is what matters imho. It is not for Russia, like a spurned, violent ex husband, or the US, as a new, manipulative suitor , to dictate it’s future.
Which is what their president keeps saying during this "conflict"
 
That’s not remotely equivalent though as Russia already has two NATO members on its border and Ukraine isn’t remotely close to joining or NATO allowing it to join.

Russia is not scared that it’s about to be attacked.
Ok Vladimir
 
Metalblue. Apt user name for your comment. I don’t think it’s unrelated. As well as significant amounts of the more common types of natural resources the Ukraine has rare deposits of many of the new materials needed for modern technology production.

As a bargaining chip these deposits are maybe worth more in the longer term to the Russians than sanctions and threats against the new gas pipeline.

I would be more impressed with the U.K. response if successive governments had not already sold half of Londons real estate to our communist friends.

The sad perversity of it all is Putin and his merry band use the western financial system and society to realise the money they make from their raping and pillaging of Russians natural resources.

It is a circle jerk that the west does little to nothing to stop. Nonetheless should this situation de-escalate as we all hope then I don’t think we should underestimate how much the threat of sanctions played a role in that. I’d still welcome Biden bringing in some targeted sanctions irrespective of a peaceful solution by Russia to a Russia created pretext.
 
The US has no God-given right to police the world. The choice between coups and supporting dictatorships is a false dichotomy.



You claimed that, except for during the Trump presidency, the US supports democracies and didn’t support dictatorships. Obviously, this is not true. It has supported dictatorships and continues to do so. It has even acted to replace democracies with dictatorships in the past. The US has no right to replace regimes, democratic or not, as it sees fit.



My point, which you appear to have completely missed, is that the US does in fact deploy its military to the borders of other countries. It constantly sends its aircraft carriers and warships to the Persian Gulf and the South China Sea. It has constructed about 750 military bases in over 80 countries, with the majority bordering countries that it has designated enemies. It even illegally occupies countries. I can assure you that those countries surrounded and occupied by US bases see this as a persistent threat. No country has been involved in more wars than the US throughout its short history.

Evidently, Russia finds NATO expansion throughout Eastern Europe and, in particular, on its borders with Ukraine to be a grave threat to its security. You have conveniently ignored the fact that the US shipped nuclear-armed or nuclear-capable weapons to Germany and Turkey amongst other countries during the Cold War. It also had a constant patrol of bombers armed with nuclear weapons circling Russia’s borders. But, it wouldn’t accept the USSR deploying nuclear weapons to Cuba. The US has a history of demanding from other countries what it wouldn’t accept for itself.
While we are on the subject of “ignoring,” you’re conveniently ignoring most all of that is by request of smaller Allies seeking protection.

Or, are you suggesting the US invades small parts of these allied countries to create staging posts and “lily pads” (the term they use for small, perfunctory outposts in foreign lands with minimum personnel) against the will of the allied government and they don’t want US protection at all?

The false equivalency is astounding!

Did I wander onto Pravda.org or the Interfax Agency website?!
 

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