Russian invasion of Ukraine

GaudinoMotors said:
Er no - nothing like that as a matter of fact.
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I disagree, this country (and others) could embark on much tougher sanctions against Russia but are not doing so because they would have a significant negative effect on the UK's interests. Which is the same thing in my opinion.
 
Akai said:
You are totally wrong on this. The UAE has a lot of investments in Ukraine through Mubadala, whom CEO is Khaldoon.

The UAE decided to abstain as its more focused on the resolution that will be presented next week that will propose sanctioning the Houthis following their attacks on Abu Dhabi. The UAE needs Russia's vote to pass this resolution.
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How does that make what I said wrong? Mubadala is involved with Russia too, still doesn’t change the military arms deal they also have with them.
 
Blue Llama said:
Does anyone really know what Putin is trying to achieve? His stated motivation was to stop the Ukraine joining NATO. I can understand Russia not wanting NATO on their doorstep but how does moving your doorstep next door to existing NATO member countries satisfy that target?
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George Bush Jr has come out and revealed in a conversation with Putin in 2008 when Ukraine was brought up he casually remarked Ukraine doesn't exist.

This is a long term belief of putins and he thought now was the best time to make this a reality.

Seems he has miscalculated
 
petrusha said:
Some thoughts at the end of a distressing week. Prayers go out to the innocent, especially the civilians among them, in the war zone.

1. Been one of the strangest weeks I've ever had in Russia, which is really saying something. Life under this Russian government is basically a bit like living in an abusive relationship. Over time, you've seen any delusions shattered that you might have harboured about them having a moral compass that would prevent them from doing stuff that's truly evil. But you just kind desperately hope that some kind of rationality or pragmatism might hold them back from ultimately inflicting terrible damage not only on you but also potentially on themselves. Even when you basically expect it, nonetheless it comes as a sickening shock when they do cross the line.

2. But the above analogy only works if the perpetrator is someone of such hideous evil that they're doing much worse outside the relationship. While you're entitled, I think, to a degree of self-pity, you also have to acknowledge, feel for and hopefully assist those victims in their terrible and unwarranted suffering, which by any sensible measure is far, far worse than yours.

3. What seems a lifetime ago now yet was only a few days, though before the invasion per se began, I noted that P***n is often hailed as some kind of strategic genius, even by some commentators in the west who revile his views and actions. I claimed he was nothing of the sort, citing as just one example the dismal (from his perspective) fizzling out of the 2014 eastern Ukrainian rebellion fomented by the Russians. He hoped to seize five or six provinces for his "separatists", but ended up with less than half the territory in two of them. He completely overestimated then the willingness of Russian-speakers in the east to back the adventure. Now he's hopelessly underestimated the willingness and ability of the Ukrainian army and the people to fight his complacent forces.

4. While I have enormous admiration for the fight put up by the Ukrainians, in other ways it makes me fearful. I don't want them to surrender in the least, but I also dread what might happen. P***n will do anything to avoid losing this war and needs a victory in the short term. He won't care how much of a bloodbath he creates in doing so. That makes me sick. In the long term, I've no idea how he thinks he can successfully bring to heel a country where his invading force is as unwelcome as it is here.

5. There was a particularly nauseating piece of propaganda on the news on Russian state TV last night, showing clips of Zelensky's comedy over the last decade to make him look like a dickhead who's not fit for office; that's intellectually dishonest, as with selective editing you could do it with many comics including many of the true greats. Well, look at how he's conducting himself in this conflict. He's worth a million of that evil, foul, amoral, Botox-overdosed, cuntish dwarf you have in the Kremlin.

6. Also from the head of the Russia Today media stable Margarita Simonyan, a revealing action on social media laying bare how the Russian elite actually thinks. She retweeted some unhinged government nobody railing about people within Russia who don't believe the state propaganda being traitors and needing to be dealt with. The country's making itself an international pariah and as a result leading to the significant impoverishment of its people. Call yourself patriots? Don't insult our intelligence, you gaslighting cunts.

7. Russia has started to ban Facebook, allegedly because of it having marked some Russian state sources as fake news (still working for me, though). They're also managed to slow or cut off internet connections across Ukraine as well. This shows that they're rattled, I think, but also has me a little concerned. As state TV laughably claims no Russian casualties here, there's obviously a narrative they want to suppress. I hope it's just that things aren't going as well as expected but fear there could be atrocities they want to hide.

8. That's pretty well it. On Thursday, I was somewhat stunned for the reason discussed in para 1 above. I've overcome that, but the unmitigated horror and revulsion I feel is only becoming stronger as the days pass.
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Great to get your prespective. Take care...
 
Blue Llama said:
I disagree, this country (and others) could embark on much tougher sanctions against Russia but are not doing so because they would have a significant negative effect on the UK's interests. Which is the same thing in my opinion.
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Imposing nuanced, targeted sanctions - an ongoing, liquid situation, that are becoming even more severe in their enforcement all the time, isn't the same as abstaining from a UN resolution at a vital time.......... in my opinion.
 
Gray said:
Poland refuse to play Russia in the World Cup play-offs.

FIFA should get off their arses and ban Russia from all of their competitions immediately. Other sports should do the same, if the ROC are allowed to compete at the Winter Paralympics I shall be disgusted.
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It's pretty disgusting that Poland have beaten FIFA to the punch. Mind you what's the betting that some FIFA officials are still trying to spend their Roubles!
 
Worried about Hungary being the sole country holding out on SWIFT. Orban is more or less a dictator too. Could he be covertly on Putins side?
 
Blue Llama said:
Does anyone really know what Putin is trying to achieve? His stated motivation was to stop the Ukraine joining NATO. I can understand Russia not wanting NATO on their doorstep but how does moving your doorstep next door to existing NATO member countries satisfy that target?
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I'd imagine that is one of many reasons. Economy, resources, imperialism and tyranny being some of the others. He's had his eye on this for a while and I imagine the combination of weakness in the leadership of various western govts, limited appetite for war in the west due to covid/economic factors and 20 years in the middle East make this seem like a good time to go for it. I imagine he'll try for the lot but will ultimately settle for annexure of the states he declared 'independent'. The prospect of Ukraine achieving NATO membership will have made it seem even more urgent to move sooner rather than later. (Imho)
 
Akai said:
You are totally wrong on this. The UAE has a lot of investments in Ukraine through Mubadala, whom CEO is Khaldoon.

The UAE decided to abstain as its more focused on the resolution that will be presented next week that will propose sanctioning the Houthis following their attacks on Abu Dhabi. The UAE needs Russia's vote to pass this resolution.
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That does not make any sense. You make 1 friend any alienate 100.
 
marco said:
wow loads of Ukraine woman on sky making molotov cocktails, now thats dedication for you
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Lets hope the Russian dwarf doesn't see them or the space museum recruiting lots of brave men and women.....targeted missiles on the way.......

Sky need to watch who and what they're showing to Putincunt
 
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