Russian invasion of Ukraine

crooky said:
Sky News interviewing the former Ukrainian president.

He's going on a bit but he confirmed that a lot of the Russian army vehicle losses were down to the American Javelin and British/Swedish anti tank launchers.
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Did you see the oops moment behind him.
 
crooky said:
Sky News interviewing the former Ukrainian president.

He's going on a bit but he confirmed that a lot of the Russian army vehicle losses were down to the American Javelin and British/Swedish anti tank launchers.
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Send them the tools to fight and they will finish the job.
 
urban genie said:
The UN does quite a lot of good globally, it tends to only get hstrung when the 5 permamnet members of the security council block stuff or intwrfere for personal intrests
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Yes that is what I meant really, but that is almost always the big stuff like this, I'm aware they do good work in some areas, but they won't resolve this unfortunately.
 
bluevillain said:
Surprised Adolf Putin hasn’t brought Kaliningrad and the narrow corridor to Russia into the mix. Just to muddy the water a bit.
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Stay tuned... it well might come.

I listen to news mostly these days broadcast from National Public Radio (NPR) or Public Broadcasting Service (PBS). Both are perceived to be left or very left leaning.

At any rate... these supposed far left leaning news outlets often seek out Russian commentary for world events. I think that this bespeaks their intent to remain neutral - albeit perhaps ill-advised.

For example, leading up to the Ukraine invasion, NPR interviewed numerous Russian personalities in order to attempt a balanced coverage of events. But of course, all that happened is that some Russian personality was interviewed and that person invariably served as a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda.

One interviewee decried the "western hysteria" about the invasion of Ukraine which would never happen and remarked that the buildup of Russian troops along Ukraine borders was Russia's affair - Russia had the right to station its troops wherever it wanted. And so on.
 
Ukraine's defence ministry says it has shot down one of Moscow's troop carriers near Kyiv, killing a large number of Russian paratroopers.

The BBC has not independently verified these claims and the Russian defence ministry is yet to comment on the reports.

The defence ministry in Kyiv wrote in a Facebook post that Ukrainian Su-27 fighter jets intercepted a Russian IL-76 MD troop carrier at around 00:30 local time (22:30 GMT) on Saturday as it was trying to land paratroopers in the Kyiv region.

According to specifications released by the manufacturer, the plane can carry up to 167 soldiers, as well as a crew of 6-7 people.

"This is revenge for Luhansk 2014," the commander of Ukraine's military, Lt Gen Valery Zaluzhny, wrote on Facebook, referring to the downing of a Ukrainian plane eight years ago, which killed 40 paratroopers and nine crew members.

Russian military spokesperson Maj Gen Igor Konashenkov claimed on Saturday that Moscow had suffered no casualties during the invasion.

Comical Ali is alive and kicking in russia now!
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Stay tuned... it well might come.

I listen to news mostly these days broadcast from National Public Radio (NPR) or Public Broadcasting Service (PBS). Both are perceived to be left or very left leaning.

At any rate... these supposed far left leaning news outlets often seek out Russian commentary for world events. I think that this bespeaks their intent to remain neutral - albeit perhaps ill-advised.

For example, leading up to the Ukraine invasion, NPR interviewed numerous Russian personalities in order to attempt a balanced coverage of events. But of course, all that happened is that some Russian personality was interviewed and that person invariably served as a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda.

One interviewee decried the "western hysteria" about the invasion of Ukraine which would never happen and remarked that the buildup of Russian troops along Ukraine borders was Russia's affair - Russia had the right to station its troops wherever it wanted. And so on.
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That's fine though because as an intelligent person you can discern the bias and see it in that context - same if you watch Russia today here.
 
From sky as of now

• Reports of fighting across the cities of Kyiv, Mariupol, Kherson, Mykolaiv and Odessa
• Russian flag hanging from police station in Melitopol suggest forces have taken coastal city
• 'Bulk' of Russian forces advancing on capital now 19 miles from city centre
• UK, US and EU imposing direct sanctions on Vladimir Putin and foreign minister Sergei Lavrov
• Decision yet to be made on locking Russia out of Swift international payment system
• French authorities seize cargo ship with Russian flag in English Channel
• Invasion resulting in refugee crisis with 120,000 Ukrainians fleeing to neighbouring countries - UN
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's fine though because as an intelligent person you can discern the bias and see it in that context - same if you watch Russia today here.
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Most who regularly listen too/watch public media in the USA are such - that is discerning individuals.

And yet... one still wonders. Might some few believe what they hear from Russian propagandists?

I think I favor such coverage - at the same time, I think that some sort of disclaimer should precede this material, e.g., "So-and-so is a member of the Russian state-controlled media and what you are about to hear is likely the Russian state position on topics discussed. We bring this coverage to you in an attempt to provide balance; be aware though that the following interviewee likely represents official Russian state doctrine."
 
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Vic said:
This was an argument for buying gas from Russia. Mutually dependent trade makes war irrational and too costly.

But when a madman comes along...
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Yes, this was the argument used by the globalists to belittle people when they were warning that financing and enabling corrupt regimes like Russia and China wasn't the smartest policy in the world. Who'd have thought that someone like Putin would turn out to be irrational and unreliable so looks like a bit of a fuck up that now eh?
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
We need to set up a route for accepting visa applications for refugees to the UK. Historically, It’s going to age badly if continue to sit on our hands and do nothing.
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Could you imagine if we were the ones that shared a boarder with the fleeing Ukrainians? You'd have Farage blowing a gasket at the boarder yelling at them to go home.
 
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