Russian invasion of Ukraine

Keith Moncrieff said:
Loads of propaganda on both sides.
If it’s true it’s great news!!
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The main factors atm are IMHO, whether the main Cities and Airports are still in Ukrainian hands, the President still being in Kiev to lead the defence and having enough quality weapons and soldiers / reservists to have a fighting chance. Good propaganda is very helpful of course.

I don’t know a lot about it but Russia are trying to surround Kiev with overwhelming force and the Ukrainians are trying to force delays and isolate convoys (eg by blowing up bridges) so they didn’t have to fight all the Russian forces at the same time.

Tue Russians - historically- have sometimes done badly when attempting a full front assault eg Finland 1944 and against the Vikings a millennia ago. Then against they smashed a retreating German army en route to Berlin
 
Coatigan said:
Sounds either wishfully naive, or partisanly apologist.

For a start, they'd still have to qualify and meet all sorts of criteria they might not, would need time and resources they don't have etc. imo.
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Think it would be easier just to waive the criteria, as everyone else seems to be doing, rather than sending out coded messages about picking fucking fruit.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Interesting that while talking to a mate down the pub about this last night and expressing my disgust at that news, he told me that if I had looked a little deeper into the story then it was apparent that the fruit picking was just a way of telling Ukranians how to get into the UK, IE if they put that down when applying they would get straight in no questions asked. I dont know if that is true or not, but I do know my mate is certainly no fan of Johnson or the Torries.
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It isn’t, but a good attempt by your pal.

They've shifted a bit more this morning. The full U turn should be complete soon, as per usual.
 
The Russians using Truss's comments as an excuse for increasing nuclear readiness probably explains the Defence Secretary explicitly saying he didn't agree with her comments this morning on TV. It's vey unusual for one cabinet minister to openly contradict another one.
 
west didsblue said:
The Russians using Truss's comments as an excuse for increasing nuclear readiness probably explains the Defence Secretary explicitly saying he didn't agree with her comments this morning on TV. It's vey unusual for one cabinet minister to openly contradict another one.
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Missed that one. What was it about?
 
Chris in London said:
On the other hand, the scientific studies that took place at around the time of the Threads broadcast and similar indicated that it would take less than 1% of the global stockpile to generate a devastating nuclear winter. If the Russians have only 10% of the arsenal they possessed in the 80s it still wouldn't take a huge proportion to end life as we know it in the northern hemisphere.

Which is possibly the safest guarantee, because even a widescale nuclear exchange limited to Europe would also have a devastating effect on China. They might well have had a word on that front.
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I’m no expert mate but I think it’s more about modern warheads are typically air burst rather than ground burst which were the type when I was a kid in the 70/80s. Ground burst sticks shit in the air which creates nuclear winter and that’s what we’ve grown up knowing.

In any case there are no winners in a nuclear conflict, even those who don’t participate - like you say. I agree with you; China has a lot to lose so might be able to talk Putin off the ledge if he ever gets past the theatrics of threats and actually, god forbid, means it!
 
Privately the talks will be directed at the Generals, the Oligarchs.Sowing the seeds of doubt that Putin is of sound mind and persuading them their assets will be returned if they act. Those hit biggest financially will certainly not be happy with what's going on. Hopefully we can convince Russia to deal with Russia without having to get our hands dirty
 
west didsblue said:
Ben Wallace was on GMB and was asked if he agreed with Liz Truss's comments. He said no and recommended people who wanted to join an army to apply to the British one.
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This whole conflict is showing up what a bunch of complete amateurs we currently have in charge of our country. Liz Truss is a fucking idiot.
 
JASR said:
I visited Hack Green (Nantwich) nuclear bunker only a month ago.

perhaps I should have stayed :-(
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I can see its aerial from my window, just prey that the ruskies know its now obsolete and have removed it from their hit list.

On a side note, we visited it years ago, and in the comms room set up ready for post apocalyptic communications etc, there was a "tax officer" desk.

Obviously our government dont intend the trifling issue of a nuclear war to be an excuse for you to be late filling out your self assessment, therefore somebody has to be there to process the £100 statutory penalty demand.
 
bluejon said:
This whole conflict is showing up what a bunch of complete amateurs we currently have in charge of our country. Liz Truss is a fucking idiot.
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It crossed my mind when Truss said what she said that the Russians would use it as an example of western provocation in some way. If I thought of it, a government minister most certainly should have.
 
bobmcfc said:
Privately the talks will be directed at the Generals, the Oligarchs.Sowing the seeds of doubt that Putin is of sound mind and persuading them their assets will be returned if they act. Those hit biggest financially will certainly not be happy with what's going on. Hopefully we can convince Russia to deal with Russia without having to get our hands dirty
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Yes that is my thought. Putin is acting like this is the Soviet Union from 50 years ago, lots of people have access to information and it must be common knowledge that his spoutings are bullshit. There are lots of people, presumably with a lot of influence, that have a lot to loose here. I also think the possibility of a military coup is not beyond possibility
 
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