Russian invasion of Ukraine

hello said:
If it gets to a point of a city occupation against the will of 2-3 million people those Ruskie troops will create a bog roll shortage worse than the start of covid from shutting themselves. In addition to mechanised death funnels with ATs there will be multi layered elevated trajectory small arms threat, Geneva convention will go out of the window and ruskies will be stripped naked and tied to lampposts & left to bleed out to scare other occupiers. Petrol bombs from roof tops, real snipers from other countries will be picking them off for pleasure. Mentally it will be fucking awful for them making NI, Afghanistan & iraq look like a picnic.
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You sound as if you have military experience?
 
Chippy_boy said:
There's little evidence to suggest that's true.

For a start, it's very clear he has completely misjudged the difficulty militarily and also underestimated the coherence and severity of the western response.

And second, Ukraine is a very different place to Moldova or Georgia. Neither were ever part of Russia (although they were both under the control of the USSR at various points of course). There is an argument - however misguided - that Ukraine's "natural" cultural home is to be part of Russia. You cannot say that of either of the above.

EDIT: Not sure about Georgia, maybe they were part of Russia if we go back far enough. Either way, it's a different situation compared to Ukraine.
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There was little evidence to suggest he would invade Ukraine, as a whole. Yet here we are.

You make it sound so OK. Whether that is your intention or not. It is not OK.

Russia was once part of Ukraine, if we are going with that logic.
 
Coatigan said:
There was little evidence to suggest he would invade Ukraine, as a whole. Yet here we are.

You make it sound so OK. Whether that is your intention or not. It is not OK.

Russia was once part of Ukraine, if we are going with that logic.
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Don't be daft, of course it's not OK and I never even implied as much. At least it was absolutely not my intention.
 
Coatigan said:
There was little evidence to suggest he would invade Ukraine, as a whole. Yet here we are.

You make it sound so OK. Whether that is your intention or not. It is not OK.

Russia was once part of Ukraine, if we are going with that logic.
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Little evidence? Half his military on different borders with Ukraine, previous annexation of Crimea, not quite sure how you come to your conclusion
 
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jerseyblue said:
Well, like it or not, it is one of the primary reasons he's invaded. Its something he's talked about for years...has made it clear he has his own "red line" for NATO expansion, its why he invaded Georgia previously....and has repeatedly railed against expansion of NATO.

I think you need to get over the fact that this is his justification, it just is. He has always viewed NATO as a threat to Russia. You ask, who is he to tell them who can join NATO...he's the guy that wants to reconstitute the USSR, the guy who wants to flex Russia's influence in eastern europe and over their former bloc states, OF COURSE he is going to try and influence who joins an alliance that is primarily in existence to thwart Russian aggression! Come on man!

None of this makes it right, it just is what it is. Thankfully the west stands united against him, NATO will now be stronger than its ever been, and hopefully Ukraine can repel this invasion long enough for the crippling economic sanctions to force Russia to stand down.
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I don't have an issue with posters taking that side, and claiming Putin's views on NATO are a contributing factor to why he went and invaded the whole of Ukraine.

What I have an issue with is portraying that as perfectly understandable, heck even reasonable, and something NATO and a Sovereign nation making its own choices willingly provoked. Or could/should have avoided.

If anything they avoided for over half a decade, and he Still went and invaded them.

That stance is not some alternative take intellectual balance to the discussion, it is not even shades of fucking grey to a highly complex situation. It is just pedsntic apologist wisearsery.
 
Coatigan said:
I don't have an issue with posters taking that side, and claiming Putin's views on NATO are a contributing factor to why he went and invaded the whole of Ukraine.

What I have an issue with is portraying that as perfectly understandable, heck even reasonable, and something NATO and a Sovereign nation making its own choices willingly provoked. Or could/should have avoided.

If anything they avoided for over half a decade, and he Still went and invaded them.

That stance is not some alternative take intellectual balance to the discussion, it is not even shades of fucking grey to a highly complex situation. It is just pedsntic apologist wisearsery.
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Putin's NATO rhetoric and his claims of "existential threat" are simply excuses for a warmonger to invade neighboring nations to amass territory and power.

If you wish to understand Putin - it's quite easy, actually.

Simply image the worst possible human you can - greedy, ambitious and caring nothing at all for others. And then multiply this image by 10. Viola! - you've perfectly captured Putin.
 
domalino said:
Well this explains a lot. Fucking cowards.



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Looks like the EU committed to funding the purchase but NATO has put the breaks on Bulgaria and Slovakia cite not having the availability and Poland say following call with NATO that they won’t be supplying as that would be a direct interference in the conflict which NATO is not a party to.

Basically looks like the EU got ahead of itself here which would be embarrassing ordinarily but is tragic in these circumstances.

I don’t see how NATO members supplying planes is any different from supplying weapons in the interference context. Can only think the thinking is if this becomes a wider conflict we need everything we’ve got and that it won’t turn the tide of what is happening on the ground (bit like the RAF not supplying more to France in WW2 when requested which proved to be the correct decision) - although surely stopping Putin in Ukraine is the best way of preventing that??
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Putin's NATO rhetoric and his claims of "existential threat" are simply excuses for a warmonger to invade neighboring nations to amass territory and power.

If you wish to understand Putin - it's quite easy, actually.

Simply image the worst possible human you can - greedy, ambitious and caring nothing at all for others. And then multiply this image by 10. Viola! - you've perfectly captured Putin.
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And serenaded him.
 
Kvyat think it's unfair that Russian athletes are being sanctioned:



I reckon Ukrainian's think it's unfair that their athletes are having to to fight and die for their country instead of training:



Missed this message yesterday:
 
The US has indications the large convoy heading for Kyiv remains in the same position it was yesterday and has made no appreciable movement in the last 24 hours due to fuel and supply shortages, including problems feeding their troops.

American intelligence also assesses that morale is flagging among some Russian units who weren't told they would be involved in combat and some have surrendered without a fight in Ukraine.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Kvyat think it's unfair that Russian athletes are being sanctioned:



I reckon Ukrainian's think it's unfair that their athletes are having to to fight and die for their country instead of training:



Missed this message yesterday:
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The only people that need to sit down to talk are the Russians who need to have a fucking word with themselves
 
MCFC1993 said:
Kvyat think it's unfair that Russian athletes are being sanctioned:



I reckon Ukrainian's think it's unfair that their athletes are having to to fight and die for their country instead of training:
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Speak out against Putin then you coward Kvyat! Then have a look at the news and see what unfair really looks like. Too many fucking Russians want fair but aren’t prepared to use their profile to tell the truth. His only comment is how sad it is to see “2 brotherhood nations in conflict”, one of them invaded the other and has committed untold atrocities against a peaceful nation, you stupid, ignorant one eyed Russian ****
 
Blue warrior said:
How’s everyone’s anxiety right now? Mine sky high I took a few hours off from reading the forum but I got that butterfly feeling in my stomach constantly.
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Unaffected, from a worry/anxiety point of view. Heartbroken for so many people and families going through what they are forced to. Pissed off even, that we are seeing this again at a world stage. But concern is no use, imo.
 
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