Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Chris in London]

That might be the case, hopefully it is but it is worth pointing out that we have cut off Venezuela and Iran from the world and made them pariah states.

Neither of those governments have fallen, despite the extreme financial hardship and uncertainty it hasn't resulted in complete political chaos.

One of the things that worked against Iran was taking them out of Swift.

 

[bluemoon32]

That's Haaland done in the summer, then

**** will need 800k a week just to fuel his car at this rate

 

[hello]

It’s pathetic but could have been a lot worse just from this government's track record.

These figures don't seem unachievable for people with supportive friends and charitable assistance even though it isn't a pleasant thing to expect from desititute refugees.

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As debatable as the merits of still processing via ident biometrics is, setting up in Lille rather Calais makes logistical sense, especially given Eurostar offer Ukrainian nationals free travel. Less likely to be affected by the unsavoury people smuggling rings that hand about at the major ports.

the shit part is the 12 days and still not operational which is typical of the home office. Fcos have emergency equipment that could have deployed to northern France in about 12 hours including trained staff.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Geez, I'd forgotten that. That's brought back some memories.

There were a numerous times when the paper was left just a little too long with the black mark emerging and then up it went.......whoosh!! :)

If you can remember that you'll remember the 3 day week....fried bacon, sausage and eggs over a coal fire eaten by candle light.The lounge smelt like a transport cafe but we loved it for some strange reason.

 

[Blue Mist]

Nor is it surprising that the subject comes up when the Russians put millions into the leave campaign because it was in their interests to do so.

Mind you, if I'd been duped into becoming an unwitting agent of Russian foreign policy I wouldn't want to talk about it either.

Ffs pack it in, loads have asked pity no one listens.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Basically there should be no mercy shown to any captured Russian military as they don't deserve any with acts like this. It's no use crying once they are captured. A simple lay down your arms or face the consequences is the only warning they should get.

You have to wonder why they would do this, have they been told that Ukrainians are driving car bombs into tanks! You just don’t know, I’m not condoning it in anyway, and I agree it’s fucking awful but these Russians are been fed shit by the twats above.

 

[kaz7]

You have to wonder why they would do this, have they been told that Ukrainians are driving car bombs into tanks! You just don’t know, I’m not condoning it in anyway, and I agree it’s fucking awful but these Russians are been fed shit by the twats above.

More likely shoot on sight at any civillians they come across, man , woman or child

 

[Chris in London]

Ffs pack it in, loads have asked pity no one listens.

FFS, pack it in, it's a forum, people can express their own opinions, no one makes you read them

 

[Phil1]

FFS, pack it in, it's a forum, people can express their own opinions, no one makes you read them

Ironically it's usually the tory voters and Brexiters who hate any mention of it and want any conversation shut down even if its relevant to what's happening.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

As crazy as it may sound it’s like Putin is trying to replicate Hitler in several ways - so many similarities.

From an article by the Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek on Ukraine and Putin:

‘Putin’s intellectual lodestar is Ivan Ilyin, whose works are back in print and given to state apparatchiks and military conscripts. After being expelled from the Soviet Union in the early 1920s, Ilyin advocated a Russian version of fascism: the state as an organic community led by a paternal monarch, in which freedom is knowing one’s place. The purpose of voting for Ilyin (and for Putin) is to express collective support for the leader, not to legitimate or choose him.

Aleksandr Dugin, Putin’s court-philosopher, closely follows in Ilyin’s steps, adding a postmodern garnish of historicist relativism:

“[E]very so-called truth is a matter of believing. So we believe in what we do, we believe in what we say. And that is the only way to define the truth. So we have our special Russian truth that you need to accept. If the United States does not want to start a war, you should recognize that [the] United States is not any more a unique master. And [with] the situation in Syria and Ukraine, Russia says, ‘No you are not any more the boss.’ That is the question of who rules the world. Only war could decide really.”

But what about the people of Syria and Ukraine? Can they also choose their truth or are they just a battlefield for would-be world rulers?

The idea that each “way of life” has its own truth is what endears Putin to right-wing populists like former US President Donald Trump, who praised Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as the act of a “genius.” And the feeling is mutual: When Putin talks about “denazification” in Ukraine, we should bear in mind his support for Marine le Pen’s National Rally in France, Matteo Salvini’s Lega in Italy, and other actual neo-fascist movements.’

What Does Defending Europe Mean?

Slavoj Žižek argues that the welcome given to Ukrainian refugees has once again exposed an ugly truth.

www.project-syndicate.org

 

[Dadsupportedthem]

Putin has had young kids standing in a Z pose , photo taken from the air , ****

Kids from a hospice, no less. Evil bastard.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

One of the things that worked against Iran was taking them out of Swift.

What does success look like though?

Collapse of the regime or complete withdrawal of the Russian and Belarusian forces. Hard to see either happening soon.

Maybe we can get someone to kill Lukashenka and undermine Putin's position that way. That could turn out to be another "Franz Ferdinand" though.

 

[Dadsupportedthem]

Ffs pack it in, loads have asked pity no one listens.

I read this thread every day, and am never put out by a noticeable abundance of Brexit posts. They must be more noticeable to guilty consciences. There is fuck all wrong with what they are pointing out and are entirely relevant to this conversation. How could it not be? I suggest you grow a set, or fuck off.

 

[blueinsa]

I read this thread every day, and am never put out by a noticeable abundance of Brexit posts. They must be more noticeable to guilty consciences. There is fuck all wrong with what they are pointing out and are entirely relevant to this conversation. How could it not be? I suggest you grow a set, or fuck off.

Go on then brains.

What does the UK, Brexit and a non EU country like Ukraine invaded by Russia have to do with each other?

 

[metalblue]

It’s pathetic but could have been a lot worse just from this government's track record.

These figures don't seem unachievable for people with supportive friends and charitable assistance even though it isn't a pleasant thing to expect from desititute refugees.

Calais to Lille - 4 ways to travel via train, bus, rideshare, and car

The cheapest way to get from Calais to Lille costs only $7, and the quickest way takes just 1 hour. Find the travel option that best suits you.

www.rome2rio.com

We’ve been caught with our pants down a bit again. The sensible approach, IMHO and if permitted, would have been to setup welcome centres at the points the Ukrainian’s cross into Bulgaria, Poland etc for anyone wanting to come to the UK. Only questions necessary would be have you got passports? No? Wait you were running for your lives and didn’t pack a passport?!? How remiss of you… well we can see you’ve just fled Ukraine so let’s take a photo of you now and add it to this document which is your temporary UK passport whilst we sort this all out. Next question? Do you have any idea where you’re staying or can we help accommodate you? Finally….the buses are that way if you’d like to make your way over there we will transport you to the UK…last question, do you need any help getting to the bus? No? Great. Right who is next? 5 minutes tops and all done with a welcoming smile on our faces.

I know hindsight and all that but you can’t tell me our foreign office didn’t have a clue how to manage this properly? It’s not like we’ve never seen people leaving war torn countries before. Asleep at the wheel. Now we have people carting themselves over Europe to various locations and to process them we have to create a world more processing centres and bureaucracy.

 

[blueinsa]

We’ve been caught with our pants down a bit again. The sensible approach, IMHO and if permitted, would have been to setup welcome centres at the points the Ukrainian’s cross into Bulgaria, Poland etc for anyone wanting to come to the UK. Only questions necessary would be have you got passports? No? Wait you were running for your lives and didn’t pack a passport?!? How remiss of you… well we can see you’ve just fled Ukraine so let’s take a photo of you now and add it to this document which is your temporary UK passport whilst we sort this all out. Next question? Do you have any idea where you’re staying or can we help accommodate you? Finally….the buses are that way if you’d like to make your way over there we will transport you to the UK…last question, do you need any help getting to the bus? No? Great. Right who is next? 5 minutes tops and all done with a welcoming smile on our faces.

I know hindsight and all that but you can’t tell me our foreign office didn’t have a clue how to manage this properly? It’s not like we’ve never seen people leaving war torn countries before. Asleep at the wheel. Now we have people carting themselves over Europe to various locations and to process them we have to create a world more processing centres and bureaucracy.

It really isn’t difficult is it to see how we could have approached this differently.

Excellent post mate.

 

[Dadsupportedthem]

Go on then brains.

What does the UK, Brexit and a non EU country like Ukraine invaded by Russia have to do with each other?

I'm not here to spoonfeed you. If you can't see how Russia interfering in Brexit has had a domino effect on the rest of the shambles, then you aren't worth conversing with.

 

[blueinsa]

I'm not here to spoonfeed you.

So you can’t?

No worries.

 

[Phil1]

Go on then brains.

What does the UK, Brexit and a non EU country like Ukraine invaded by Russia have to do with each other?

In isolation, nothing, mate.
When the conversation veers towards certain policies and the affects they might be having on people fleeing for their lives it kinda becomes impossible not to mention it.

 

[Blue Mist]

I read this thread every day, and am never put out by a noticeable abundance of Brexit posts. They must be more noticeable to guilty consciences. There is fuck all wrong with what they are pointing out and are entirely relevant to this conversation. How could it not be? I suggest you grow a set, or fuck off.

I already have a pair and dont want to fuck off so perhaps you could suggest something else.
We have had a politics thread for years where this was discussed/argued about. I didnt go into then because it was pointless, people were entrenched in their views and will not change. Why the fuck should posters have to put up with people moaning on and on about whether being in or out of Europe would help Ukraine. This is a thread about a murdering shithouse killing innocent people.