United Thread - 2021/22

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s probably more to do with Pep coming over here and destroying the myth that tactics and positioning can’t beat running loads and kicking people.

Even now, Keane and Neville revert to “just kick someone” when they can’t explain why their archaic style of football can no longer win.

If Pep had been our manager in the 90s, there would have been a good chance that the pisscan would have been sacked before the millennium.
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I can’t think of a better or more astute coach than Pep. I don’t begrudge City their success because they play such beautiful football. If Arteta succeeds at Arsenal, I believe it’s because he was so lucky to work under him. Make the most of him while he’s at City. Nigh on impossible to replace him. But at least you have a stable and sound structure in place unlike the bozos at United.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Disagree. I've watched West Ham live and they still play somewhat of a direct and longball style. The entitled rag fans would have never put up with that.

He was simply never cut out to the expectations of the job.
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To be fair, Moyes is making the best of the resources at his disposal - they’re not good enough, even under a Pep to perform much better. In other words, which, if any, of West Ham‘s players would make the City team? Only one, Declan Rice and he’d still have to fight for his place. He wouldn’t be a shoo in.
 
oakiecokie said:
First class clogger ... thats all he was.
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Didn't Busby say of him that he wasn't a dirty player, he just couldn't time his tackles?
But then again, the rags have always had a clogger in their team ever since I've been watching football (late 50s), who have got away with fouls that most players get booked/sent off for? It must be in their DNA.
;-)
 
On Sunday the contrast with City was stark and in the second half was exposed as clearly as possible for the football world to see. It has been growing, however, for the last 14 years. I remember clearly the open letter from Sheikh Mansour stating his intention to create a self-sustaining club which could compete with Europe's best. He envisaged a period of heavy investment followed by self generated growth and despite the efforts of UEFA it has worked tremendously well. This never meant that the Sheikh would throw money at the club for ten years, hope for the best and then see if we were any good in 2018. The club had a series of performance indicators for the next 3 months, 6 months, 12 months etc to see the plan was still on track and take appropriate action if necessary. The best people to put these measures in place were identified and it soon became clear that the intention was to attract Pep Guardiola to the club, which they did. This was because everything was done to make City a club Pep would want to work at. We could add more detail but the point is that this is City's plan, it involves every aspect of the club, it's now in its 14th year, has been refined and extended and it's still going strong.

United don't have a plan and this is of long standing too. Taken by surprise by SAF's retirement they appointed managers one after another without any idea of continuity or strategy. They first of all ran the squad down and refused to spend (a policy endorsed by SAF) and then, when they were in clear difficulty began spending wildly, almost kamikaze spending! This was not a plan but a comfort to fans. And now they talk about "getting United back where they belong". This is actually not a plan but an aspiration. And we are not told but rather led to assume that this is back to the glory days of the GPC. In fact, those days were the result of a set of unbelievably favourable and fortunate circumstances, never to be repeated.

This is the reality behind the statements that United are light years behind. What they need is a plan for every aspect of the club but what they have is no plan at all. This season's derbies are the result. Looking at things as they are the chasm will grow and United will be luck to keep their grip on a place in the top 5 or 6. They need to make the first important decision - that Manchester United is a football club and not a soap opera.
 
Jack Hackett said:
I think Rashford wants out and his poor performances stem from that. I actually think he’d be bloody good properly coached but anywhere but United.
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No,he is fast and that is it, he's at his boyhood club and can't be arsed, he hasnt got that certain thing needed to be a top player ,average, overhyped, a typical united "starlet" his career will go down hill very soon after he leaves united
 
Sir peace frog said:
No,he is fast and that is it, he's at his boyhood club and can't be arsed, he hasnt got that certain thing needed to be a top player ,average, overhyped, a typical united "starlet" his career will go down hill very soon after he leaves united
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Well, it’s hardly up hill for him at the moment
 
Jack Hackett said:
Well, it’s hardly up hill for him at the moment
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He had a blistering start to his career, united were out of striker's so they put him in no pressure and he did really well, he was going to be the "new" best thing, but every player will find their level, he hasn't found his yet, but he will, and it won't come with England caps
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
On Sunday the contrast with City was stark and in the second half was exposed as clearly as possible for the football world to see. It has been growing, however, for the last 14 years. I remember clearly the open letter from Sheikh Mansour stating his intention to create a self-sustaining club which could compete with Europe's best. He envisaged a period of heavy investment followed by self generated growth and despite the efforts of UEFA it has worked tremendously well. This never meant that the Sheikh would throw money at the club for ten years, hope for the best and then see if we were any good in 2018. The club had a series of performance indicators for the next 3 months, 6 months, 12 months etc to see the plan was still on track and take appropriate action if necessary. The best people to put these measures in place were identified and it soon became clear that the intention was to attract Pep Guardiola to the club, which they did. This was because everything was done to make City a club Pep would want to work at. We could add more detail but the point is that this is City's plan, it involves every aspect of the club, it's now in its 14th year, has been refined and extended and it's still going strong.

United don't have a plan and this is of long standing too. Taken by surprise by SAF's retirement they appointed managers one after another without any idea of continuity or strategy. They first of all ran the squad down and refused to spend (a policy endorsed by SAF) and then, when they were in clear difficulty began spending wildly, almost kamikaze spending! This was not a plan but a comfort to fans. And now they talk about "getting United back where they belong". This is actually not a plan but an aspiration. And we are not told but rather led to assume that this is back to the glory days of the GPC. In fact, those days were the result of a set of unbelievably favourable and fortunate circumstances, never to be repeated.

This is the reality behind the statements that United are light years behind. What they need is a plan for every aspect of the club but what they have is no plan at all. This season's derbies are the result. Looking at things as they are the chasm will grow and United will be luck to keep their grip on a place in the top 5 or 6. They need to make the first important decision - that Manchester United is a football club and not a soap opera.
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The voice of reason.Well said my friend.
 
StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
On Sunday the contrast with City was stark and in the second half was exposed as clearly as possible for the football world to see. It has been growing, however, for the last 14 years. I remember clearly the open letter from Sheikh Mansour stating his intention to create a self-sustaining club which could compete with Europe's best. He envisaged a period of heavy investment followed by self generated growth and despite the efforts of UEFA it has worked tremendously well. This never meant that the Sheikh would throw money at the club for ten years, hope for the best and then see if we were any good in 2018. The club had a series of performance indicators for the next 3 months, 6 months, 12 months etc to see the plan was still on track and take appropriate action if necessary. The best people to put these measures in place were identified and it soon became clear that the intention was to attract Pep Guardiola to the club, which they did. This was because everything was done to make City a club Pep would want to work at. We could add more detail but the point is that this is City's plan, it involves every aspect of the club, it's now in its 14th year, has been refined and extended and it's still going strong.

United don't have a plan and this is of long standing too. Taken by surprise by SAF's retirement they appointed managers one after another without any idea of continuity or strategy. They first of all ran the squad down and refused to spend (a policy endorsed by SAF) and then, when they were in clear difficulty began spending wildly, almost kamikaze spending! This was not a plan but a comfort to fans. And now they talk about "getting United back where they belong". This is actually not a plan but an aspiration. And we are not told but rather led to assume that this is back to the glory days of the GPC. In fact, those days were the result of a set of unbelievably favourable and fortunate circumstances, never to be repeated.

This is the reality behind the statements that United are light years behind. What they need is a plan for every aspect of the club but what they have is no plan at all. This season's derbies are the result. Looking at things as they are the chasm will grow and United will be luck to keep their grip on a place in the top 5 or 6. They need to make the first important decision - that Manchester United is a football club and not a soap opera.
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problem with that is a real rebuild would mean most likely dropping out of the top 4 and losing the money tree, so they throw money at it and hope they keep champions league
 
TFC said:
Bizarrely, in McTominays interview after we battered them, he was wittering on about how 'we need to focus now and win the Champions League'....

As abjectly shit as they are, were that somehow to happen, I think it would be the actual end of days.
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If the rags somehow wins Champions League this season, i will never consider that cup as major throphy ever again.

The think that your need to be lucky enough to win that cup makes me furious if that ever happen.
 
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