Political relations between UK-EU

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One of the biggest consequences long term of the Russian invasion is an acceleration of stronger U.S/EU ties. It was always going to happen , leaving the UK more isolated. Now that process in all areas including energy and defence will come quicker.
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EU signs US gas deal to curb reliance on Russia

The liquefied natural gas deal with US is part of EU attempts to reduce reliance on Russian energy.
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blueparrot said:
One of the biggest consequences long term of the Russian invasion is an acceleration of stronger U.S/EU ties. It was always going to happen , leaving the UK more isolated. Now that process in all areas including energy and defence will come quicker.
www.bbc.co.uk

EU signs US gas deal to curb reliance on Russia

The liquefied natural gas deal with US is part of EU attempts to reduce reliance on Russian energy.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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The post NATO press conf by Johnson was very revealing - he took a final question then said he had to dash to get on his plane to fly back - quite simply his minders wanted him out of there before the EU conference started because if he was in the air nobody could ask the awkward questions and point out he was locked out shouting "Global Britain" through the window........
 
blueparrot said:
One of the biggest consequences long term of the Russian invasion is an acceleration of stronger U.S/EU ties. It was always going to happen , leaving the UK more isolated. Now that process in all areas including energy and defence will come quicker.
www.bbc.co.uk

EU signs US gas deal to curb reliance on Russia

The liquefied natural gas deal with US is part of EU attempts to reduce reliance on Russian energy.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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The uk is not isolated at all.
Some of you want to think that as it makes you feel better.
We are the second biggest member of Nato behind America, we are one of the few that actually contributed what we are supposed to.
Certain EU countries Don’t put in their fair share, others have become dependent on Russian gas and oil
The US will now try to wean the EU off Russian gas by whatever means necessary
The same people who moan about Russians in London have no issue with the billions the EU is pumping into Russia at the moment
 
Tb1981 said:
The uk is not isolated at all.
Some of you want to think that as it makes you feel better.
We are the second biggest member of Nato behind America, we are one of the few that actually contributed what we are supposed to.
Certain EU countries Don’t put in their fair share, others have become dependent on Russian gas and oil
The US will now try to wean the EU off Russian gas by whatever means necessary
The same people who moan about Russians in London have no issue with the billions the EU is pumping into Russia at the moment
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If only the UK had a Gas and Oil production , storage and distribution industry that was state owned and run for the benefit of the population......... Oh wait .. we did !
 
Tb1981 said:
The uk is not isolated at all.
Some of you want to think that as it makes you feel better.
We are the second biggest member of Nato behind America, we are one of the few that actually contributed what we are supposed to.
Certain EU countries Don’t put in their fair share, others have become dependent on Russian gas and oil
The US will now try to wean the EU off Russian gas by whatever means necessary
The same people who moan about Russians in London have no issue with the billions the EU is pumping into Russia at the moment
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We are isolated, and I don’t mean Johnson shambling around looking for someone to chat to. Last two days 27 European countries held a summit with the US as a guest. The summit approved the EU SC plan, a common European defence framework, and tasked the EU with buying and developing infrastructure for gas, ie, a common Europe wide energy policy.

Decisions are being made in Europe, the continent we are part of, with zero UK input or participation.

That is isolation.
 
Tb1981 said:
The uk is not isolated at all.
Some of you want to think that as it makes you feel better.
We are the second biggest member of Nato behind America, we are one of the few that actually contributed what we are supposed to.
Certain EU countries Don’t put in their fair share, others have become dependent on Russian gas and oil
The US will now try to wean the EU off Russian gas by whatever means necessary
The same people who moan about Russians in London have no issue with the billions the EU is pumping into Russia at the moment
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Did that not also include rather creative accounting? The UK has traditionally included intelligence gathering and pension contributions so as to bump up its percentage. They all do, of course, because they've all been riding on the American coattails for far too long.

At the moment, some will say independent, some will say isolated, but events of the last two years have rather shattered the illusion that the EU is unraveling and that the success of Brexit would then encourage others to leave. Instead, the pandemic and now war have seen the EU countries realize that they are considerably stronger cooperating, and that includes in their purchasing power (health/fuel/defense, etc.).

The UK is thus facing a new economic and political reality in a newly shaped world, one with three strong players (US/EU/China) and a growing India, All are wary now and all are seeking to maximize their leverage, so the politicians who created Brexit will need to accept that new reality and reenvisage the country's direction.
 
BobKowalski said:
We are isolated, and I don’t mean Johnson shambling around looking for someone to chat to. Last two days 27 European countries held a summit with the US as a guest. The summit approved the EU SC plan, a common European defence framework, and tasked the EU with buying and developing infrastructure for gas, ie, a common Europe wide energy policy.

Decisions are being made in Europe, the continent we are part of, with zero UK input or participation.

That is isolation.
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Boris looking for his EU mates.....

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BobKowalski said:
We are isolated, and I don’t mean Johnson shambling around looking for someone to chat to. Last two days 27 European countries held a summit with the US as a guest. The summit approved the EU SC plan, a common European defence framework, and tasked the EU with buying and developing infrastructure for gas, ie, a common Europe wide energy policy.

Decisions are being made in Europe, the continent we are part of, with zero UK input or participation.

That is isolation.
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That is Brexit.
 
Chippy_boy said:
@west didsblue @Bodicoteblue

Not really a Brexit thread this though chaps, is it. And BTW, I vote for Remain and campaigned passionately on here for months/years for people to vote Remain and even that we should have had a 2nd referendum to reverse the idiotic decision to leave.

But, I feared a total disaster, and it has not been that. It's actually gone way better than anyone sensible could have expected (e.g. Tim Martin is not sensible, he is a moron). And we do have the opportunity now to be more dynamic, flexible and less regulation-burdened than the EU and in the long term, POTENTIALLY, to grow faster and be better off. As I say, it's not what I wanted, but there you have it. The wheels have not actually fallen off as I feared they would.
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Really not sure how we’re going to be less regulation burdened. Everything we export will still have to meet the regulations of the importing countries and they’re hardly going to be more likely to recognise our regulations unless they’re very close to those of a major trading bloc like the EU so in reality we’re pretty much tied into EU regulations but without any say in their development. As for growing faster there’s absolutely no hint of this in the foreseeable future apart from the recent spurt which was entirely down to us recovering from a deeper drop than nearly everyone else. Our trade, GDP and stock market are almost unique amongst developed countries in that they haven’t or have barely recovered to pre-pandemic highs. If by saying it’s not been a total disaster you mean there’s no rioting on the streets and no mass starvation then fair enough but by almost any measure you choose against our competitors it hasn’t been far short of a total disaster.
 
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