United Thread - 2021/22

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Psychedelic Casual said:
Not that I’m trying to make the Rags better or anything, but the biggest thing they need to do is get rid of all the past players (and manager!) hanging around the place like a bad smell, and try to get the TV companies to use United pundits less.

Seeing all those ex-players still there over the last few years from Carrick to Fletcher to Mike Phelan, and constantly seeing Ferguson and hearing he’s still involved, is not good for the club at all. The exact same thing happened at Liverpool in the late 80s and through the 90s. Constantly being stuck in a mindset of the past is unhealthy. It’ll hold you back while everyone else moves forward.

That’s one thing I fear about City when this era of ours has gone and we have fans calling for “Fernandinho and Zabaleta to come back to instil some of that old City passion back into the club”. I think that sort of thinking is a right load of fucking bollocks. But it’s exactly what Liverpool did in the late 80s and through the 90s, and exactly what United have been doing over recent years. It’s what’s in their fans’ mindset n’all. Liverpool are still doing it now despite them being back at the top, as they seem to think Gerrard is in line to take over after Klopp.

Also having so many United pundits across the media is the complete opposite to what they need. It, again, just harps back to an era in the past when these players played for United when they were a top club and a top side, and they don’t have a fucking ounce of understanding that United aren’t the club they used to play for anymore. It sets an unrealistic tone about the club with them constantly talking about what United were like when they were there or “should” still be like now. It makes them look a laughing stock, there are a number of better clubs than United now and there’s a lack of acceptance of that by these United pundits (and it doesn’t help that none of the other pundits bring this up). The wider football world are pissing themselves at all that “this is Manchester United Football Club we’re talking about” guff. And the constant end-of-game United Inquests on Sky must be utterly embarrassing for United fans.
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I've been thinking along these lines too. Also, 3 letters they need to shut the fuck up about - DNA. There's no such thing as a club DNA yet every manager they employ and all their ex players bang on about it at every opportunity and the idiot fans lap it up. Nothing implies a sense of entitlement more than bullshit like that
 
117 M34 said:
He maybe missed that because they have no actual plan, they appoint managers who have completely different playing styles to the last, which is how they have ended up with a mish mash of players
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Piscan basically f*cked them over by running the squad into the ground before he left. The chosen one never really gained any traction in the dressing room, but when he went and the Family Man stepped in for a few games they seemed a bit more cohesive, albeit only for a few games. Then Crazy Louis came in and changed the whole philosophy of the club which is where the wheels truly came off the bus. When he couldn't polish the turd they knee-jerked and appointed the Special One who f*cked them up some more.

After that they tried to go back to the 'U**ted way' by appointing the Norwegian Garden Gnome who essentially ended up being Piscans mouthpiece. Unfortunately for them the Piscan was not quite at the races when it comes to working a puppet manager

Carrick was never going to get the job full time, so they brought in Ralphie Ragneck to reset the club and get rid of all the deadwood (about 70% of the playing staff) and he's ended up as a scapegoat until they can find another high profile manager who is prepared to risk their whole reputation for a very large sum of (borrowed) money.

You LOVE to see it.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Thats him sacked then. No going upstairs then.
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as long the owners of manchester city stay at the club it will not matter what utd spend or bring in as manager or players. you can only chase the pinnacle until they give up ? i don't see manchester city giving up any time soon.
then you can add liverpool chelsea arsenal spurs all in a better shape as a football club

so if the real truth is printed in the media and stop blowing smoke up their arse. then maybe they they will realise the truth that united glory days are over.
 
ancoats said:
as long the owners of manchester city stay at the club it will not matter what utd spend or bring in as manager or players. you can only chase the pinnacle until they give up ? i don't see manchester city giving up any time soon.
then you can add liverpool chelsea arsenal spurs all in a better shape as a football club

so if the real truth is printed in the media and stop blowing smoke up their arse. then maybe they they will realise the truth that united glory days are over.
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Transitions at football clubs are generally quite hard. In my lifetime only the "bootroom" concept at Liverpool has been successful. Hopefully (and I think definitely) we will have a plan in place and be ready to execute it when the time comes for Pep to go.

Enter Gareth Taylor......

;)
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Piscan basically f*cked them over by running the squad into the ground before he left. The chosen one never really gained any traction in the dressing room, but when he went and the Family Man stepped in for a few games they seemed a bit more cohesive, albeit only for a few games. Then Crazy Louis came in and changed the whole philosophy of the club which is where the wheels truly came off the bus. When he couldn't polish the turd they knee-jerked and appointed the Special One who f*cked them up some more.

After that they tried to go back to the 'U**ted way' by appointing the Norwegian Garden Gnome who essentially ended up being Piscans mouthpiece. Unfortunately for them the Piscan was not quite at the races when it comes to working a puppet manager

Carrick was never going to get the job full time, so they brought in Ralphie Ragneck to reset the club and get rid of all the deadwood (about 70% of the playing staff) and he's ended up as a scapegoat until they can find another high profile manager who is prepared to risk their whole reputation for a very large sum of (borrowed) money.

You LOVE to see it.
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Excellent summary.
 
freshie said:
He's now the 2nd manager, after Moyes, to say that the rags need to be more like us

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The first step towards recovery is awareness that there's a problem.
Then it's making sure that's the right problem.
And even when you get to the stage of thinking you know what you have to do, there's still the minefield of knowing how to do it in an effective and realistic way.
("I know what we have to do. We just have to run faster than Usain Bolt.")

I feel they still have a long road ahead...
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Transitions at football clubs are generally quite hard. In my lifetime only the "bootroom" concept at Liverpool has been successful. Hopefully (and I think definitely) we will have a plan in place and be ready to execute it when the time comes for Pep to go.

Enter Gareth Taylor......

;)
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The fact is long before our takeover there was a plan. We are just the very lucky recipients of it. Bobby Manc was appointed to do a job and to prepare the way for Pep. The slight hiccup meant that Pellers was appointed in between but the goal was Pep. Those that run our ship are already preparing for life after him, Viera, Vinny and even Arteta went with our best wishes. Our club know what is the next three steps never mind the next one.
This shower of shite don't even know where their feet are.
 
Kinkladze's crazy skills said:
I see your worries but don't even think or never have believed having ex players at a club is the problem it's more how a club is ran it's identity, just like the rags now the dippers were badly ran throughout the early prem years and a little before that resting on their laurels with old ideas, there was an arrogance that they'd return any year but after about 6 or 7 years of premiership football, it was then Liverpool realised they'd fucked up and started going into crisis mode trying to right wrongs it was too late.

Look at Ajax and Barcelona it's having the club's identity and philosophy streamlined together, since the 1970s that has done them such a good service over the years and will carry on, even Barca now they're going through a bad time but because they've got these ex players involved, all who believe in the Reynolds/Michels/Cruyff/Pep way universally they'll recover quick.
It's better having those ex players to reinforce the club's ideas over the course generations we'll be doing the same here, having ex players will help us in the long-term and when they're homegrown it'll be even better, it's tremendously helped Ajax/Barca and other teams they're just the best examples, most of Europe's better ran teams the likes of Bayern or Juventus do the same and make sure the club is ran right.

It's different and a seriously toxic problem with the rags right now or dippers back then, neither club had an identity a pure vision about how they play or even conduct themselves in the long-term, it was all about winning right now in whatever way they could and with the likes of the self entitled brigade after Fergie left, they've been given a gaping hole to replace him and it wasn't easy because he was an out of date manager behind the times, despite his continued success his ideas were long outdated but because he was unmovable and his old ideas became normal to all their players, once every new manager came in with more modern ideas their ex players not knowing any better, and probably told by other fegie servants on the coaching staff, about new methods at the club they're all critically thinking "Fergie would never have done that" he wouldn't do this or that etc. They're blinded by ancient ideas they're clueless as to what to do next as a club.

All these ex rag players continue to put undue pressure on every new manager they've hired since, by opening their mouths they're actively hurting their pathetic club with out of date ideas, because the rags have never had a real long-term future identity not the deeper they got into the Fergie era at least it was all about winning.
Busby had a clear vision that they must always try no matter what to have the best youth players in the country, they lost that identity even before us and now they don't even have the best in their local area, never will they again either as long as we keep our approach to football.
It's all about identity and philosophy, they've lost their's and are going through many crises that they cannot comprehend.

We're the opposite and on the up, long may both clubs situations continue.
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I am somewhere in between both of your opinions
On the one side you have the total catastrophe that is playing out at Utd
And what Barca did after Cruyff.
The road wasn’t totally smooth there either. They had a much better starting point though. But there was unrest with Cruyff overlooking a new manager.

I’m sure we won’t allow anything like those situations to happen though.
 
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