Do you support the RMT?

I am super moderate but we again have liars in government like we did in the eighties. Oh for a John Major or Gordon Brown. Not perfect but not bad people. We are divided.
 
Rascal said:
Seriously mate, how many kids actually get a train to school?

At my primary and secondary school nobody I knew got a train and I am pretty certain the overwhelming majority of school kids are at most a bus ride away from their school. My best mate actually moved house so he would fall under a schools catchment area, his kids were then a bus ride away.
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Plenty get the train to high school and college. Obviously depends on the area

There’s carriages full of kids getting the train from places like Disley/ new mills to get to college in Stockport - not private schools.

There’s also lots of kids from handforth that get the train to wilmslow high school.

I get on those same trains in the morning and evening for work.a lot of the kids don’t live in the same catchment area as their school.
 
halfmist said:
Your just coming across as very bitter.
I don’t need to call you a **** because I am sure in real life your probably not.
To be honest, I don’t really give a shit about what you really think about me because, not on a wealth basis, but, intellectually, ideologically or socially, I think we can safely say our paths are very unlikely to cross.
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I haven’t actually called you a ****. I said you come across as a **** because you seem not to give a shit about anyone else and love to boast about your own situation, and I too don’t expect our paths will cross because I prefer people who aren’t totally self obsessed and who aren’t stupid enough to automatically assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be at the other end of the political spectrum.
 
Postman Pep said:
CWU balloting both postal and openreach in the coming weeks. NASUWT have confirmed they are too, maybe other teaching unions will follow suit?

The opportunity for some form of coordinated action to coincide with the next energy price hike could be on the cards. Opposition to this government has to come from somewhere.
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Cheeky bastards 2 percent they’ve offered
 
halfmist said:
I am afraid the lefties don’t understand basic Economics and inflation so your wasting your time.
Not quite sure what you mean by proper taxation.
If you mean effective rates of 98% when the Investment Income Surcharge was in place during the 1970’s when Mr Silly Billy was Chancellor it ain’t going to work in a modern economy where the rich can move their wealth to anywhere in the World.
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What I mean is a global taxation policy not local taxation as that hasn't worked and will never work. It needs an effort from all countries and if certain countries don't like that then no company from that country or have owners that operate in the that country is allowed any trade with the complying countries. It doesn't need to be 50% rate just a 10% rate then the local taxation can pick up the rest. I don't see why the status quo is good enough needs proper thought and proper leadership
 
mat said:
That's from my own experience of the region I live in. This was compounded by the Covid timetable where the services were reduced by 50%. Trains which key workers used to go to work were cut. However a phone call from a Tory MP managed to organise a special train service that ran express so his son and other kids could attend private school there and not wait an hour for the timetabled service coming back. Just goes to show it's who you know.

Amazing that a national strike is called and all of a sudden Tories are screaming "What about the children!" When they were happy to send them to infect each other and everyone else during the pandemic.
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I used to get a mainline train service that randomly stopped at one particular station… apparently because the train company owner lived there and that was the train he got. So I can well agree with you it’s not what you know but who … the world is full of it mate,

You’ve always struck me as a decent person and I don’t know the ins and outs of your issues but I’m in no doubt they are fair and reasonable - I also imagine the timing of this strike probably doesn’t sit all that well with you either as you do care. I wish you well in your actions and hope you get a speedy outcome.
 
west didsblue said:
I haven’t actually called you a ****. I said you come across as a **** because you seem not to give a shit about anyone else and love to boast about your own situation, and I too don’t expect our paths will cross because I prefer people who aren’t totally self obsessed and who aren’t stupid enough to automatically assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be at the other end of the political spectrum.
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Apologies, I misinterpreted you saying “your coming across as a ****” as your interpretation as to what a **** is and not some one else’s.
I have no idea who you mix with.
What I have found through life and perhaps you would even agree with me here is that Social Mobility upwards is incredibly difficult to achieve in this Country .
Most stay within their own Social Circles through life which definitely affects their ability to get on believe me
I am sure a lot on here would say it’s down to lack of opportunities caused by the Government.
Having read all the posts on here I am not too sure.
Most opportunities I have been given is because I have gone out of my comfort zone, kept stum when I needed to , not argued about someone being a ****, selfish or a smug bastard when they are prepared to talk freely about their particular circumstances.
It has paid dividends handsomely because that has opened doors and gave me new opportunities and got me up the career ladder when needed.
What the middle classes and the professionals are very uncomfortable with is in the company of friends , colleagues etc who are bitter about their success or what they want to spend their new found wealth on
It is so frustrating that some, including quite a few on this site have so much inbuilt bitterness about anyone who has managed to get on, that those that that could help them with a lift up , financial backing, advice, new job opportunities tend to avoid such bitter company like a plague.
People I know who would be perfect for jobs I have not put forward because of an attitude problem.
I have seen this happen so many times at Social events your definitely holding your selves back with an inbuilt attitude problem towards self made people .
The opportunities are then given to the less talented but who are a safer pair of hands as they don’t carry a chip on their shoulder and the Social Strata changes very little
I feel extra sorry for kids who are brought up in the environment accept your lot it’s not your fault if you don’t do well, it’s down to the Government.
What hope have they got
 
metalblue said:
Plenty where I live. Long gone are the days of kids having to go to their local state school like I did. I’d also add that when the bedroom tax or whatever it was called was being proposed the left where up in arms because of the handful of husbands and wives who had separate bedrooms due to disabilities. The very reason the left oppose policies is always down to the outlying people it impacts, never the majority. The hypocrisy is a bit sickening.
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Usually pal you put up a decent counter argument, this time I do not even see a point.

I consider myself a student of RW viewpoints, I read voraciously so that i can understand why. All you have done my friend is parrot the Mail etc etc

The classic RW attack is hypocrisy , usually around the things that the owners of capital want to attack the working class on the behalf of the owners of capital.

Majoritism, BTW is classical Fascist speak, its a base assumption based on ones own feelings and ones echo chamber. Speaking for the silent majority is now in our political lexicon, the problem is lots of people in this country are disengaged and that saddens me, but its no accident. Keep the working class uneducated and they are no threat, its feudalism.

The left never moans about high pay, the right always moans about high pay for the poor

We need a revolution... now
 
BerkshireBlue said:
What I mean is a global taxation policy not local taxation as that hasn't worked and will never work. It needs an effort from all countries and if certain countries don't like that then no company from that country or have owners that operate in the that country is allowed any trade with the complying countries. It doesn't need to be 50% rate just a 10% rate then the local taxation can pick up the rest. I don't see why the status quo is good enough needs proper thought and proper leadership
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You will never get a Global taxation policy ever.
We can’t get the World to agree on Global warming which is killing the planet
Someone will always cut and run
 
halfmist said:
You will never get a Global taxation policy ever.
We can’t get the World to agree on Global warming which is killing the planet
Someone will always cut and run
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this is exactly the attitude that makes people stay with the status quo. It is possible with the right set up and leaders something we don't have
 
halfmist said:
It’s like all other threads on politics this.
Seems to attract the same old faces.
If you look at the voting pattern above less than 10% oppose the strike which is about par for the course.
If you went out on the street and ask Joe Public their thoughts on strike action me thinks the percentages may be a little bit different.
Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis
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“Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis”
Malcolm MacDonald agrees.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
this is exactly the attitude that makes people stay with the status quo. It is possible with the right set up and leaders something we don't have
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It’s not about attitude it’s about reality.
They have held various conferences to try and level Company Corporation Tax in the recent past and they have all failed.
How would you get Russia, China, or any developing country to agree to this.
What happens over other taxes, particularly personal ones that are politically motivated.
You would never get Countries to agree when tax rates are often set on ideological grounds.
 
Only the start of increased industrial action and there will be much more down the line (boom boom). More automation and more inflation- on the back of austerity and a pandemic- mean people are going to face greater threats to their livelihoods and a greater struggle to make ends meet.
 
See the tired, pathetic and stale trope to pit public sector v private sector commentry has been used since I was on yesterday, and how people like rail workers don't realise the harsh reality of those in the latter.

Well speaking as someone who worked 13 years in private sector catering and the last 16 in public sector catering, I was much better off before in many ways than I am now.

I was paid better in hotels with bonuses, I had a pension, 28 days holiday, time and half and double time for BH and christmas (now I get time back in lieu), pretty much unscrutinised by management unlike now where constant pressure exists as a public servant to deliver expectations.

The only real plus points or working is the public sector I have found is that I have a the best pension scheme about, decent sick pay, settled hrs that are not unsociable, a decent enough wage and job security (to a point) but with that I have a lot more stress, pressure and scrutiny.

I could go back to the privare sector any time and would probably be very happy working in it with less stress, reasonably similar pay, but also less security and work life balance, I would see less of City for sure as weekends would no longer be my own.

As for the Unions, well unison is not my prefered choice but the only recognised one so am stuck with them, but at the same time they have helped myself and many staff on personal work related issues.
Those saying that Public sector gain by having a union that private sector workers don't and if they demanded 11% they would be told to fuck off, there is a simple answer to that, private sector workers can form or join unions too to get support and fight for better conditions, it seems this is the only country where it has been fed to people that Unions are predominently for the public sector, all workers of any sector can join and work together to bring better working conditoons and pay to all workers across the both sectors.

The workers be it public/private, manual, finacial, service and the self employed should all come together to work for a better working life for all, we are not seperate entities, we are memeber s of a vast diverse workforce and should not let those at the top divide us
 
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Listening to various news reports this morning and I think it’s safe to say the RMT are not getting the support from Joe Public that they seem to be getting on here.
We have had hospital staff on saying there will be big shortages in numbers putting the welfare of patients at risk and a station shop owner saying if the strikes are going to continue that’s the end of his business.
Perhaps some need to re look at their definition of who qualifies as greedy and selfish but I doubt they will.
 
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