New highway code rules

Sir peace frog said:
I'm all for everyone being courteous on the roads to every user and pedestrian, good manners in everything we do, but if the motorcycle/car user have to pay insurance to use the roads then cyclists should as well .
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I'm certainly covered third party as a cyclist, but I don't think it should be compulsory, otherwise we'll end up in a situation where we are insisting pedestrians have insurance to cross the road.

It's compulsory for motor vehicles because they are statistically (by a long way) more dangerous, and the losses involved are much greater.
 
Sir peace frog said:
I'm all for everyone being courteous on the roads to every user and pedestrian, good manners in everything we do, but if the motorcycle/car user have to pay insurance to use the roads then cyclists should as well .
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The major cost of insurance is the third party liability so it stands to reason that having a one ton killing machine is likely to cause more injury than a pushbike.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
There is an image that shows the evolution of the Golf, From Mk1 to the latest model, but I couldn't find it. The image I posted was purely illustrative.

The simple fact is the majority of cars have got wider, heavier and faster in the last 40 years.
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They have. And much safer. My car will automatically take evasive action to avoid a collision with another road user be they a lorry or a pedestrian. It also emails me to tell me when it needs a service and the remote services tell me when it needs something else like windscreen fluid which makes me wonder if it actually needs me at all and could just run errands for me and take itself off for a fucking service. And pay for it itself. I also own a mk1 golf GTi and let me tell you brakes were an optional extra compared to modern cars and steering is so vague it makes you wonder if it’s connected to much at all.

That doesn’t mean we can and should drive with disregard of others. I also ride a bike for pleasure and very much know how it feels to have a car pass uncomfortably close, to have safe distances enshrined in law is a good thing.
 
Sir peace frog said:
I'm all for everyone being courteous on the roads to every user and pedestrian, good manners in everything we do, but if the motorcycle/car user have to pay insurance to use the roads then cyclists should as well .
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You don't "pay" to use the roads. You pay for the upkeep which is collected through general taxation, something applicable to pedestrians, public transport users, motorists etc. "Road Tax" hasn't existed since 1938. Electric vehicle owners don't pay anything to 'use the roads', it's all based on vehicle emissions which pollute the air we breathe. You want to use a polluting vehicle, better be prepared to pay for it!

You can get cycle insurance; it's about £2-5 a month, mostly due to the fact bikes don't cost much, don't cause any damage to the roads due to their lack of weight, don't produce any polluting emissions and the more expensive road models of bikes are usually covered by other insurances. However cars have a much higher capability to cause injury or death, hence the insurance costs are much, much higher. Is that the issue here; you have to pay to run your car so it's not fair cyclists get away with it? Should we also be forced to contribute to fuel costs as a result, cyclists and pedestrians alike?

All these protestations have already been looked at multiple times in Parliament and the conclusion has always been the same; it is simply not practical or enforceable to treat cyclists the same way as motorists. If you have a issue with that, maybe consider ditching your car and enjoy the cost saving practice of commuter cycling instead?
 
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I don't drive but in my experience car drivers on the whole seem to be pretty respectful of pedestrians, that being said I was out walking last week and a car shot past me and it was that close it nearly grazed me (Was walking on an unpavemented part of a road).

Now group riders on push bikes IMHO often are a bloody nightmare.
 
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mexico1970 said:
I don't drive but in my experience car drivers on the whole seem to be pretty respectful of pedestrians, that being said I was out walking last week and a car shot past me and it was that close it nearly grazed me (Was walking on an unpavemented part of a road).

Now group riders on push bikes IMHO can and often are a bloody nightmare.
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Interesting on our way back from City games, we always say you can tell we are back home because the driving standards are so poor.

So many people turn at roundabouts from the left lane.
I saw one get t boned by someone going straight on on a duel carriageway. He was within the highway code as long as he rejoined the duel carriageway in the outside lane. Which is what he was doing.
I was in the inside lane when the car in front went right straight into the car beside me.
The car in front should have gone left or straight on but no fucking turned right.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I'm certainly covered third party as a cyclist, but I don't think it should be compulsory, otherwise we'll end up in a situation where we are insisting pedestrians have insurance to cross the road.

It's compulsory for motor vehicles because they are statistically (by a long way) more dangerous, and the losses involved are much greater.
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A young lad ran into my car once, thankfully he was shaken up by no bones broken.
Fortunately his dad was behind him and saw it all.
They were good as gold about it and the car was repaired by the house insurance, so maybe other than extreme bikes they are insured
 
metalblue said:
They have. And much safer. My car will automatically take evasive action to avoid a collision with another road user be they a lorry or a pedestrian. It also emails me to tell me when it needs a service and the remote services tell me when it needs something else like windscreen fluid which makes me wonder if it actually needs me at all and could just run errands for me and take itself off for a fucking service. And pay for it itself. I also own a mk1 golf GTi and let me tell you brakes were an optional extra compared to modern cars and steering is so vague it makes you wonder if it’s connected to much at all.

That doesn’t mean we can and should drive with disregard of others. I also ride a bike for pleasure and very much know how it feels to have a car pass uncomfortably close, to have safe distances enshrined in law is a good thing.
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Much safer for who though? I'd argue much safer for the occupants of the vehicle, not so much anyone else.

Yes, cars have gadgets that can slam the brakes on IF it detects an object in its path, and IF the system doesn't have a speed threshold at which that system operates effectively, and there are numerous other bells and whistles warning devices and lane control and radar cruise control and braking assist and traction control and anti-skid... but in general they exist to compensate for POOR AND INATTENTIVE DRIVING, and they allow drivers to drive in a manner unsuited to their level of skill or the road conditions.

If only everyone drove to the test standard within the confines of the rules laid down in the highway code...

On a side note I had a Mk1 Clubman with drum brakes on all 4 corners. Golf brakes were way better in comparison ;-)
 
metalblue said:
it was a bit close. Was no need either as nothing coming the other way that the driver had misjudged. Should have taken the fine/course instead of being a stubborn old git.
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Thats it - I clicked on the story because it interested me - I watched the clip but then when I read the story I just though what a stupid old bellend - outing himself in the press as one and expecting that somehow to garner sympathy for him is a non starter - can see crowdfunding baling him out at all lol.
 
Odd socks said:
A young lad ran into my car once, thankfully he was shaken up by no bones broken.
Fortunately his dad was behind him and saw it all.
They were good as gold about it and the car was repaired by the house insurance, so maybe other than extreme bikes they are insured
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Pretty lucky for both you and the young lad.

I'm covered both on my household policy and through my Cycling UK membership (Up to 10M third-part liability).

I think a lot of household policy do cover cycling, but not all.
 
Tuearts right boot said:
Yeah, but has it got a set of knobblies, 3 speed Sturmey Archer and cow horn handle bars. Didn't think so !!!
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Maybe not, but it has the option of playing cards pegged to the frame to make that "cool" clacking sound against the spokes.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Much safer for who though? I'd argue much safer for the occupants of the vehicle, not so much anyone else.

Yes, cars have gadgets that can slam the brakes on IF it detects an object in its path, and IF the system doesn't have a speed threshold at which that system operates effectively, and there are numerous other bells and whistles warning devices and lane control and radar cruise control and braking assist and traction control and anti-skid... but in general they exist to compensate for POOR AND INATTENTIVE DRIVING, and they allow drivers to drive in a manner unsuited to their level of skill or the road conditions.

If only everyone drove to the test standard within the confines of the rules laid down in the highway code...

On a side note I had a Mk1 Clubman with drum brakes on all 4 corners. Golf brakes were way better in comparison ;-)
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Modern cars are also tested against how pedestrians fair in a collision but you’re spot on… far better that the driver pays attention than relies on the car. On my car I get an alert appear as a pre warning which actually diverts my attention away from the thing I’m about to crash into!! It’s actually more dangerous IMHO.

Drums in every corner… lucky the top speed was about 80mph eh? ;) On the early VWs the servos are on the side for LHD cars so take a lot longer to react and aren’t as strong when pressed on RHD or something like that. What it does do is teach you to keep your bloody distance from everyone and everything when on the road.
 
metalblue said:
Modern cars are also tested against how pedestrians fair in a collision but you’re spot on… far better that the driver pays attention than relies on the car. On my car I get an alert appear as a pre warning which actually diverts my attention away from the thing I’m about to crash into!! It’s actually more dangerous IMHO.

Drums in every corner… lucky the top speed was about 80mph eh? ;) On the early VWs the servos are on the side for LHD cars so take a lot longer to react and aren’t as strong when pressed on RHD or something like that. What it does do is teach you to keep your bloody distance from everyone and everything when on the road.
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I heavily modded the Mini and like a lemon left the brakes until last. I eventually put 8" Cooper disks on the front and mini-fins on the back ;-)
 
Cycling to work this morning. White van came past me on a 50mph road. He did not move one inch. He either just did not see me or could not give a fuck if he hit me or not. I felt the van brush my sleeve and the draught nearly had me off. It is fucking terrifying, and even basic human decency would be to give a cyclist space especially at that speed. If that hit me from behind this morning I would have been killed I'm sure of it.
 
Had too many of those and felt helpless to do anything about them so eventually got cameras on front/back. Won't stop anyone hitting you but there will have evidence if it happens and you can report the bad ones if you think it's necessary.
 
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