Keir Starmer

He needs to show some town halls and get off the fence either way … these disputes will only get worse hardly anyones got a clue what Labour stand for anymore, wanted him as Labour leader after Corbin but he’s turned out a right one . Actually don’t know what his personal views are on anything, Get more scope from reyner than him. If he doesn’t grow a pair this will get back in at least they know what their voting for.
 
A57 the snake said:
He needs to show some town halls and get off the fence either way … these disputes will only get worse hardly anyones got a clue what Labour stand for anymore, wanted him as Labour leader after Corbin but he’s turned out a right one . Actually don’t know what his personal views are on anything, Get more scope from reyner than him. If he doesn’t grow a pair this will get back in at least they know what their voting for.
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Ordinarily I'd absolutely agree, but I think the govt would love to make this a 1970's unions + labour issue so I actually think kieths fence sitting is a sensible tactic (this time)
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Ordinarily I'd absolutely agree, but I think the govt would love to make this a 1970's unions + labour issue so I actually think kieths fence sitting is a sensible tactic (this time)
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I disagree - he is overthinking stuff - if he is concerned about the blue wall vote some of these workers will be blue wallers who went Tory but will expect Labour to back them. I agree its like a no win situation but thats because his inaction so far has allowed himself to be painted in that corner. He has leeway in that the RMT are not Labour affiliated which gives some room to deny that they are backing their union backers if that charge is raised. In any event he has enough ammo to fire at the Govt - they are lying coz drivers aren't striking - highlighting the pay of the people actually striking - Shapps denying involvement but tying the railways side by not letting them go above 3% - maybe pointing out they can go above 3% on the money Shapps will give them by cutting dividends - there is now so much he can do. I am a big fan of not interrupting your adversary whilst they are making mistakes but at some stage you have to piss ( do something ) or get off the pot ( resign )
 
bluethrunthru said:
I disagree - he is overthinking stuff - if he is concerned about the blue wall vote some of these workers will be blue wallers who went Tory but will expect Labour to back them. I agree its like a no win situation but thats because his inaction so far has allowed himself to be painted in that corner. He has leeway in that the RMT are not Labour affiliated which gives some room to deny that they are backing their union backers if that charge is raised. In any event he has enough ammo to fire at the Govt - they are lying coz drivers aren't striking - highlighting the pay of the people actually striking - Shapps denying involvement but tying the railways side by not letting them go above 3% - maybe pointing out they can go above 3% on the money Shapps will give them by cutting dividends - there is now so much he can do. I am a big fan of not interrupting your adversary whilst they are making mistakes but at some stage you have to piss ( do something ) or get off the pot ( resign )
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Yes, but he's either got to fence sit or go full socialist on this issue, and sadly sometimes starmer misses an open goal because he's uncomfortable with being 'on the left'
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I knew a vicar whose church was in the Hartlepool constituency for the 2021 by-election.

They were very passionate about refugees and went on national TV several times criticising Starmer for not doing enough.

They voted in a Tory there for the firs5 time in 60 odd years.

This vicar couldn’t believe it. All they wanted to do was make Starmer do more. They hated the Tories far more, but didn’t criticise them as much as this vicar knew that the Tories didn’t care.

Be careful what you wish for.
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I presume the church is still in the Hartlepool constituency.

I don't quite grasp the logic here. I know it's the "Labour never gave us foodbanks" place, but are you saying that they voted Tory as they know Tories don't care but thought Labour should have made the Tories be more caring?
 
Vic said:
I presume the church is still in the Hartlepool constituency.

I don't quite grasp the logic here. I know it's the "Labour never gave us foodbanks" place, but are you saying that they voted Tory as they know Tories don't care but thought Labour should have made the Tories be more caring?
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The church is, the vicar isn’t.

Criticising Labour in interviews on national TV and media and local rags would simply make less people vote Labour.

This came to pass and the Tories got in.
 
Better performance from him this week. No attempts at humour and he struck a better tone. These are serious times and they need serious questions.
 
mat said:
He "banned" his cabinet attending picket lines today.

So much for being a "Democratic Socialist"
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Can't have it all ways.
Union demonstrating strength with common action.
Labour would be portrayed as divided unless all MPs did the same. All doing the same would make it the only issue in town and there's a couple of by-elections tomorrow. Rail strike is the dead cat to scrape votes towards the Tories.
 
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He feels he can't be seen as acting too left wing, it's a difficult balancing act being different from the Tories without being seen as someone who just promises everything to everyone.

Governments tend to lose elections rather than opposition winning them.

You will only see the true Starmer if he wins the election or forms a coalition.

Being braver would be nice but it ain't happening, certainly while things are collapsing for Johnson and his incompetents.
 
hilts said:
He feels he can't be seen as acting too left wing, it's a difficult balancing act being different from the Tories without being seen as someone who just promises everything to everyone.

Governments tend to lose elections rather than opposition winning them.

You will only see the true Starmer if he wins the election or forms a coalition.

Being braver would be nice but it ain't happening, certainly while things are collapsing for Johnson and his incompetents.
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And he’s not going to commit to anything until months before an election because if he does and has to modify the proposed policy it would be a gift to the Tories.
He’s not an idiot.
 
west didsblue said:
And he’s not going to commit to anything until months before an election because if he does and has to modify the proposed policy it would be a gift to the Tories.
He’s not an idiot.
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Think he did the right thing tbh, keep highlighting the governments actions for the time being and give them as little opportunity for deflection as possible.
 
meltonblue said:
Think he did the right thing tbh, keep highlighting the governments actions for the time being and give them as little opportunity for deflection as possible.
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I thought he did ok - taking the piss over the Carrie job offer etc - Johnson was flustered coz he didn't just ask 6 questions on the rail strikes so he could do the back to the 70's strikes and Arthur Scargill nonsense that he had prepared - I mean he tried to shoehorn it in anyway but it came across desperate
 
Jezza was on the picket line at Newcastle station making speeches and getting on TV. Like it or not Starmer is attempting to distance Labour from Corbyn. If Starmer or the Shadow Cabinet are on RMT picket lines and filmed etc its giving the Conservative ammo for their Starmer is a Corbyn acolyte narrative - its a very complicated strategy game being payed out but as it stands today I see little profit for Starmer giving Johnson a distraction away from his long distance troubles.
 
"For all the grumbles about Keir Starmer’s dullness, the fact that the Labour leader is inoffensive to Lib Dems – and unscary even to onetime Tory voters – is the essential prerequisite for tactical voting and, as these results demonstrate, a precious asset."


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These byelection results are the verdict on a cruel and useless government that’s running out of road | Jonathan Freedland

Losses in Tiverton & Honiton and in Wakefield are more than midterm blues. They’re a sign of the anti-Tory majority getting its act together, says Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland
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bluethrunthru said:
Jezza was on the picket line at Newcastle station making speeches and getting on TV. Like it or not Starmer is attempting to distance Labour from Corbyn.
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Even 2 1/2 years later? That's a serious case of long Corbyn. I mean who are the people who are struggling to move on here?

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If Starmer or the Shadow Cabinet are on RMT picket lines and filmed etc its giving the Conservative ammo for their Starmer is a Corbyn acolyte narrative -I
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Fuck me it's not like they are accusing Labour of being in the pockets of the unions anyway and I doubt anyone is suggesting Keith gets on the frontline with a loud hailer ... just maybe take a position as events unfold around him.

bluethrunthru said:
its a very complicated strategy game being payed out but as it stands today I see little profit for Starmer giving Johnson a distraction away from his long distance troubles.
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It's not complicated at all and I get the strategy. Stand aside and wait for the Tories to implode and then pick up the pieces in the next election.
 
Postman Pep said:
Fuck me it's not like they are accusing Labour of being in the pockets of the unions anyway and I doubt anyone is suggesting Keith gets on the frontline with a loud hailer ... just maybe take a position as events unfold around him.
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Johnson the other day said Labour were literally holding hands with Scargill - the Tories are mad keen - they call it Labour Rails strikes etc
 
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