Yes but your post still wouldn’t make sense. Taking on debt does nothing for any Ffp or wages to turnover calculation.This has been covered later on in the thread. My view was based on the initial Swiss Ramble tweet which suggested any investment in youth football and infrastructure would count for FFP purposes. It is more complex than that. That said the new rules will do nothing to reduce debt.
Because the headline inference was that ownership investment would not be allowed but payable loans (debt), would be. Either way, if it is allowed that the amortisation of the asset only hits the book proportionately per annum, the fact remains that (loan) debt cannot make any club more sustainable than direct investment, whether from profit/turnover or from owner/investor injection.Yes but your post still wouldn’t make sense. Taking on debt does nothing for any Ffp or wages to turnover calculation.
You said the new rules would encourage clubs to take out loans to avoid failing ffp (or whatever we are calling it). That doesn’t make any sense.
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I posted the OP and the headline inference was 100% not that. Quote me any posts that suggest that.Because the headline inference was that ownership investment would not be allowed but payable loans (debt), would be. Either way, if it is allowed that the amortisation of the asset only hits the book proportionately per annum, the fact remains that (loan) debt cannot make any club more sustainable than direct investment, whether from profit/turnover or from owner/investor injection.
Heaven knows how much the debt may rise to at ot if they want to do any, ahem, restoration work (ground or team), given that i think we know there won't be any injection from the glazer pockets...
And wear Red or you are in Spain .........yes of course! especially if you are part of the old cartel ;-)
That Royally fcuks up Everton then...This is a nonsensical rule. If you spend money on stadium improvements, safety etc you are effectively penalised!!!?
Yes............but if we build it ......... they will come Cat!So if we built a new stadium would the cost of building it be offset by the asset itself?
If we were to build a new stand presumably that would be a cost that couldn’t be offset as the asset was owned by the Council?
Very confusing!
I posted the OP and the headline inference was 100% not that. Quote me any posts that suggest that.
In fact I’ve been at pains to state that a club can overspend by 90m euros in a year if it’s due to owner investment (and not loans).
How can people read a thread and still get it so bloody wrong?
I thought there was that implication in SR's tweet but re-reading I don't see it now, but no reason for you to be getting quite so worked up about it SWP.I posted the OP and the headline inference was 100% not that. Quote me any posts that suggest that.
In fact I’ve been at pains to state that a club can overspend by 90m euros in a year if it’s due to owner investment (and not loans).
How can people read a thread and still get it so bloody wrong?
Apologies. Been in bed with covid for 3 days now and utterly pissed off.I thought there was that implication in SR's tweet but re-reading I don't see it now, but no reason for you to be getting quite so worked up about it SWP.
Apologies. Been in bed with covid for 3 days now and utterly pissed off.
Running up debts isn’t an issue as long as they are serviceable. What they do, is waste some of their income on servicing them, meaning less money goes into the team.Meanwhile in the real world Barcelona, Real Madrid and the rags all run with massive debts and are allowed to do so, it's the biggest Elephant in the room since Dumbo got stuck in the Debenhams lift in the early 70's.
If a business wants to speculate to accumulate then it should be left up to them, if they go bust then they go bust because that's the chance that they take, the football associations are kidding us by claiming they are protecting football clubs and tradition yada yada yada, they most certainly are not.
We are now full on global this idea of football in the community bollox is just that, it's bollox.
Running up debts isn’t an issue as long as they are serviceable. What they do, is waste some of their income on servicing them, meaning less money goes into the team.
The rag and Madrid models are fine because they are solvent. Barca, much less so.
The rags didn’t really run up theirs, they had it thrust upon them when they were taken over.The point is that they are allowed to run up the debts when other clubs aren't because they are supported by UEFA, failure should be organic and they should be allowed to fail.
The rags and madrid are artificially inflated, one twitch and they are in bargain basement country.
The rags didn’t really run up theirs, they had it thrust upon them when they were taken over.
I’ve not delved far enough into Barca/Madrid’s accounts to see how their debts have accumulated over the years.
Hope you feel better soon mate.Apologies. Been in bed with covid for 3 days now and utterly pissed off.
Rags may argue with that - elsewhere SR suggests interest paid during 15yrs to 2020 exceeded £800m(!!), more than the total debt the glazers stuck them with in the first place.Running up debts isn’t an issue as long as they are serviceable. What they do, is waste some of their income on servicing them, meaning less money goes into the team.
The rag and Madrid models are fine because they are solvent. Barca, much less so.
Whilst that is true, it doesn’t alter the fact that their debt is manageable. As I said before, all it does is restrict their spending power.Rags may argue with that - elsewhere SR suggests interest paid during 15yrs to 2020 exceeded £800m(!!), more than the total debt the glazers stuck them with in the first place.
That said, I don't think they have necessarily skimped on player spending, just spent (and/or arranged the squad) very poorly... and long may that continue...
Whilst that is true, it doesn’t alter the fact that their debt is manageable. As I said before, all it does is restrict their spending power.
As you suggested though, they’ve hardly been buying out of the bargain bucket either as a result.
Their demise isn’t because they can’t spend. Their demise is that they don’t know how spend anymore.
Is that a traditional Bornean name?Apologies. Been in bed with covid for 3 days now and utterly pissed off.