Away tickets and points?

Eds said:
You are right about demand and supply but the biggest problem appears to be who is demanding them and on many occasions at away games you see 'fans' there who clearly don't have the points, wearing half and half scarves, taking photos etc and you wonder how they managed to obtain tickets. More tickets need to go to season card holders and not day trippers who just want to watch a game of football.
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The chances are that they got them from season card holders, either directly or indirectly.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The chances are that they got them from season card holders, either directly or indirectly.
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I think you know that in the majority of cases that is not true ,and the people the poster refers to,get their tickets through the tickets that the club allocate to travel companies who deal in football supporters travel from overseas.
 
Chappie said:
I think you know that in the majority of cases that is not true ,and the people the poster refers to,get their tickets through the tickets that the club allocate to travel companies who deal in football supporters travel from overseas.
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And if so, that's part of the club allocation so those tickets wouldn't go to season card holders anyway.
 
The current points system going all the way back to 2002 is bizarre and frankly, lazy. If you were lucky enough to have a season ticket in that period and were a regular attender at away games you’re fine. If however you weren’t born then or weren’t in a position to attend, then it’s tough and you will never catch up, so the same group of people go to every away time and time again, this is no good. Personally I think the loyalty points should be on a rolling 3/5 year basis and we should be balloting a certain amount of tickets for away games. I know some people will disagree with this but closing the door on people which is effectively what has happened is no good.
 
40% to Loyality Points for average aways so far this season, demonstrable by looking at 9am on the first day of sale. Surprised if it is any more than 25% for United away.

There has been a clear steer make out the people who put in the long yards are the problem whislt more tickets are allocated to sponsors, staff, former staff and anyone wanting to pay over the odds for a home ticket, and the latter is growing.
 
Courtneyneild said:
If they give points for away tickets. The people with the most will just buy them and sell them on. The rich will just get richer.

Imo, a rolling points system of 5-10 years would be better, with points only being awarded for the cup schemes like it currently is.
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I think a rolling point system would be great!
 
RACHACE said:
Wondering what blues thoughts are on the way the club are likely to distribute away tickets going forward.

Think this is our 2nd season where no points are being awarded for attending away games. But surely some kind of system that rewards those that attend regularly and gives others an opportunity to attend will be implemented at some point.

I'm on just over 19500 points. I've been going to an average of about 15 away games a season (including Wembley and European games) for the last 18 years and I've still got absolutely no chance of getting a ticket to certain games off my own back. These days if the game is on a Saturday I've no chance either.

I still qualify for the majority of games but the question is that should I be grateful of being able to do Southampton away on a Sunday but miss out on Aston Villa on a Saturday at 5:30? A game I attended last season because it was midweek!

Should I be grateful that I get to attend the majority of European away games but should we draw Rangers I'll have absolutely no chance?

Some tickets get put aside for Supporters clubs. Some for corporate and some for younger supporters which I've no real issue with but those in the middle with a regular record of attending games are pretty much forgotten about.

Is it time for when there's a popular away game that the club holds back tickets for a ballot? Every season ticket holder below the estimated sell out points level for the game then at least has an opportunity to apply and potentially get a ticket?
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No we shouldn’t be grateful for the small allocation our own club give our long standing fans for away games.

From what I’ve read on here recently, City hold back over half of our away allocations and don’t allow us to buy them. They go to corporates and those wankers on the tricket tout sites who sell them to daft foreigners for as much as £250 a ticket for some games.

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Four going for £357.15 in the away section at Wolves.

Channel 4 did a documentary about ticketing like this a few years ago. It was music industry ticketing for concerts, rather than football, but the gist will be the same: it found that it was the bands, their tour companies and record companies, and the arenas staging the concerts who were all in it together putting these tickets on these kind of sites, and not fans who’d bought the tickets to re-sell.
 
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Manchester33 said:
United do a ballot system that works along the lines of:

50% of tickets are allocated to supporters who've had a season card for more than 10 years.
30% of tickets are allocated to supporters who've had a season card for more than 5 years.
15% of tickets are allocated to supporters who've had a season card for more than 3 years.
5% of tickets are allocated to members.

I think that's quite a good system.

At the end of the day, there are always going to be those who miss out and are upset. But it's quite shortsighted to ensure the same bunch get tickets for EVERY game until they eventually die. Away games are a huge part of following a club and it's important the younger generation get a taste of that.

The issue with Ticket Points is that it's easy for someone like me (with 20k points) to buy one for my mate who doesn't even have a season card. I don't even need to attend the away games anymore. I'm platinum and on cup schemes so no way I'll drop below where I am.

Ultimately though, too many are given to corporates and hospitality customers. Money talks.
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Their ballot is a shit system compared to our loyalty points. They have to be in every ballot to keep qualifying. If they are successful they have to take the ticket or get kicked out of the ballot.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
And if so, that's part of the club allocation so those tickets wouldn't go to season card holders anyway.
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Isn’t that the point though mate? Surely the club allocation should be a small % for staff and family of players only and not travel companies?

Realistically it’s already a broken system, so if there’s a chance of tourists getting tickets directly from a club allocation given to travel companies, then that’s going to prevent regular match going fans with accumulative points from going in order to accommodate a one off visit. Fine for home games where there’s tens of thousands available, but for your Liverpool or United away, that’s going to cause unrest.

At 29, I’ve no chance of getting tickets for Liverpool or United away direct from the club. With the current system, that’s fine as my points don’t qualify. Totally accept that, it’s the way it is.

However, when fans are narrowly missing out and they see some people can get tickets direct from travel companies, that’s understandably going to frustrate them.
 
Corky said:
40% to Loyality Points for average aways so far this season, demonstrable by looking at 9am on the first day of sale. Surprised if it is any more than 25% for United away.

There has been a clear steer make out the people who put in the long yards are the problem whislt more tickets are allocated to sponsors, staff, former staff and anyone wanting to pay over the odds for a home ticket, and the latter is growing.
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Pretty sure that @Prestwich_Blue once told us the breakdown as told to him by the club and it was 60% to points holders which many people thought was too low. 40% is bang out of order. Maybe someone on here remembers the split and can confirm or deny.
 
As I’ve always said when they brought in the collect in destination lark and stopping points because people were buying to sell on Just to get the points (obviously some truth but not much as the criteria is just as high)

The biggest ticket tout here is our beloved club…..
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
No we shouldn’t be grateful for the small allocation our own club give our long standing fans for away games.

From what I’ve read on here recently, City hold back over half of our away allocations and don’t allow us to buy them. They go to corporates and those wankers on the tricket tout sites who sell them to daft foreigners for as much as £250 a ticket for some games.

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Four going for £357.15 in the away section at Wolves.

Channel 4 did a documentary about ticketing like this a few years ago. It was music industry ticketing for concerts, rather than football, but the gist will be the same: it found that it was the bands, their tour companies and record companies, and the arenas staging the concerts who were all in it together putting these tickets on these kind of sites, and not fans who’d bought the tickets to re-sell.
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Which answers the question 'how the fuck did those (insert country here) get tickets.
 
Blue Mist said:
Which answers the question 'how the fuck did those (insert country here) get tickets.
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Over the years, I’ve experienced or heard of:
A group of Belgians in our away section at Arsenal
Arsenal fans in our away section at Arsenal
United fans in our away section (that lower bit by the side of the main section) at Old Trafford
Liverpool fans in our away end at Anfield
Hadjuk Split fans in our away section at Anfield getting behind Liverpool
Germans (Koln fans? Can’t remember now) in our away section at Huddersfield not supporting City
An American woman who sat next to my mate at Wembley when it was Spurs’ home ground who paid £300 for her and her son’s tickets and she nearly fainted when she asked my mate how much he paid and her told her £30.
And countless random foreigners who are negligibly wanting City to win if not wanting the home team to win at many away grounds over the last decade.
 
I love it how the 2 teenage girls at Everton away last year got 2 tickets. Spent most of the game on Tik Toc and touching up their make up. How many points have they got???
 
Ballot seems the best way forward now, even though amazingly you will still see the same faces at away games
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Over the years, I’ve experienced or heard of:
A group of Belgians in our away section at Arsenal
Arsenal fans in our away section at Arsenal
United fans in our away section (that lower bit by the side of the main section) at Old Trafford
Liverpool fans in our away end at Anfield
Hadjuk Split fans in our away section at Anfield getting behind Liverpool
Germans (Koln fans? Can’t remember now) in our away section at Huddersfield not supporting City
An American woman who sat next to my mate at Wembley when it was Spurs’ home ground who paid £300 for her and her son’s tickets and she nearly fainted when she asked my mate how much he paid and her told her £30.
And countless random foreigners who are negligibly wanting City to win if not wanting the home team to win at many away grounds over the last decade.
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Add to that list that if you were mates of ticket office employees you could have bought a ticket for more than £30 for certain away games allegedly. Celtic fans in our end for a CL game when ticket criteria was meant to be very strict.
 
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