Nigel Farage

M18CTID said:
As for that bellend Farage, he only popped up again with his Brexit Party because our politicians couldn’t come up with a Brexit deal. I wasn’t aware of a deal between him and Johnson - if anything, Farage wanted an even harder Brexit than we got. Now he’s finally got what he wanted, he’s well and truly finished in British politics, hence why he’s on the other side of the Atlantic whipping up the far right.
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You mean he's got no easy way to make money over here, so he's gone to America to whip up the far right instead. Farage would have been happy to stay in the EU forever if it allowed him to keep is cushy MEP job, do no work, and constantly moan about leaving it.
 
The people that Sunak and Truss are now desperately trying to court are the same that offer Farage a route in to British politics. They have been disgusted for thirty years, bemoan the way young people are, speak beautifully of halcyon days of yore, and believe that this nation is the innocent victim of those who wish to damage it, reach it, or impose rules upon it just because 'they' have always hated us. It is why Truss and Sunak offer nothing new, because what they are trying to do is to win the vote of Royal Tunbridge Wells and that vote is triggered by the past - a return to lost values, lost status and a day when you could leave your back door open. Farage triggers it with the enemy being the dinghy, the bureaucrats of Brussels, or 'the woke': it is the Daily Mail headline dressed up in Union Flag loafers and a guffaw and it doesn't want to listen, or adapt, because it is their way or none...no solution just an identification of what is wrong, in their eyes, as they twitch their drapes and monitor that new neighbour from...
 
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oldius said:
The people that Sunak and Truss are now desperately trying to court are the same that offer Farage a route in to British politics. They have been disgusted for thirty years, bemoan the way young people are, speak beautifully of halcyon days of yore, and believe that this nation is the innocent victim of those who wish to damage it, reach it, or impose rules upon it just because 'they' have always hated us. It is why Truss and Sunak offer nothing new, because what they are trying to do is to win the vote of Royal Tunbridge Wells and that vote is triggered by the past - a return to lost values, lost status and a day when you could leave your back door open. Farage triggers it with the enemy being the dinghy, the bureaucrats of Brussels, or 'the woke': it is the Daily Mail headline dressed up in Union Flag loafers and a guffaw and it doesn't want to listen, or adapt, because it is their way or none...no solution just an identification of what is wrong, in their eyes, as they twitch their drapes and monitor that new neighbour from...
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All correct, but in the absence of something else to capture the imagination that blend of populism and paranoia will keep winning votes (and elections).
 
davyhulme blue said:
anyone bought any of his gin yet ? :)
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I'm With Stupid said:
You mean he's got no easy way to make money over here, so he's gone to America to whip up the far right instead. Farage would have been happy to stay in the EU forever if it allowed him to keep is cushy MEP job, do no work, and constantly moan about leaving it.
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Actually winning the vote was the last thing many of the Brexit proponents expected or actually wanted, as they were fully aware of the shit show that would follow.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
All correct, but in the absence of something else to capture the imagination that blend of populism and paranoia will keep winning votes (and elections).
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Although it’s becoming more obvious, by the day, where our problems lie and it’s nothing to do with Europeans.
 
M18CTID said:
You can trace it back further than that. If Cameron had never agreed to a referendum in the first place then no amount of pontificating and bullshitting from Farage would've made a difference. Cameron is the one who set the ball rolling. Even Blair was wise enough to renege on a pledge to hold a referendum on EU membership.
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I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed so many people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.
 
El_george said:
I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.
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The Liberal Democrats and Clegg should not be held responsible for a calamity that is entirely of the ConservatIves’ making. Cameron thought he could ‘win’ a third referendum and put all the demons to rest. He failed and knew immediately that the country was screwed. Hubris.
 
Gabriel said:
The Liberal Democrats and Clegg should not be held responsible for a calamity that is entirely of the ConservatIves’ making. Cameron thought he could ‘win’ a third referendum and put all the demons to rest. He failed and knew immediately that the country was screwed. Hubris.
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Yes, I get what you mean. I probably shouldn't have used the word 'blame,' I was really just trying to show how sometimes there are unintended consequences in politics and in the world in general.

For example, if there hadn't been a corona virus pandemic (the true origin of which we will never really be told) Donald Trump would probably have won a second term as POTUS. Not very appealing I know, but I bet Putin would have stayed out of Ukraine if Trump were President - partly because of the old M.A.D. thing.

So in effect, one can argue that all these energy concerns now, can be traced back to China - whether by happenstance or a chemical lab experiment gone wrong. Although I'm one of those people who believes in chaos theory - which this is a possible instance of.
 
Gabriel said:
The Liberal Democrats and Clegg should not be held responsible for a calamity that is entirely of the ConservatIves’ making. Cameron thought he could ‘win’ a third referendum and put all the demons to rest. He failed and knew immediately that the country was screwed. Hubris.
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Clegg was central to scuppering Browns signed off plans for some new nuclear plants. His reasoning was exactly what’s wrong with uk politics in that he thought the plans should be scrapped because “they won’t be ready until 2021”. That’s turned out well………
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Clegg was central to scuppering Browns signed off plans for some new nuclear plants. His reasoning was exactly what’s wrong with uk politics in that he thought the plans should be scrapped because “they won’t be ready until 2021”. That’s turned out well………
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I only suggested that he and the Liberal Democrats shouldn’t be held responsible for Brexit, I didn’t suggest they were blameless. There‘s plenty wrong in UK politics, alas, and plenty blame to be apportioned.
 
El_george said:
I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed so many people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.
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Mr Clegg demanded a a first class train carriage cleared for him and his lackeys to use whilst he was deputy PM. He got one of his toadies to demand this request to the guard. The Guard refused as they were all (including Clegg) travelling on standard classtickets. As a compromise he offered to clear a standard coach but would explain on regular basis during the journey why regular passengers couldnt use the coach. He paid for a first class ticket for himself and made his lackeys slumb it with plebs.
 
El_george said:
I think it can be traced back one step further.... and Nick Clegg is really to blame. (Although how far back can one go)?

When Cameron was in government with the Lib-Dems (2010-15) they kind of kept him in check up-to-a-point. As Cameron campaigned for the 2015 GE and promised a EU referendum, I actually think he did so not expecting to win an overall majority.

The problem was, Clegg had disappointed so many people whilst sharing power most specifically reneging on the promise to not initiate tuition fees for University students.

Cameron won an outright majority. He then felt obliged to stick to his manifesto promise.

Nick Clegg buggered off to America.
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Churchill is to blame, he started the whole brexit idea
 
Arise Sir Nigel for services to Brexit?

Wouldn't put it past Johnson as a final act of trolling.
 
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