Nigel Farage

El_george said:
Yes, I get what you mean. I probably shouldn't have used the word 'blame,' I was really just trying to show how sometimes there are unintended consequences in politics and in the world in general.

For example, if there hadn't been a corona virus pandemic (the true origin of which we will never really be told) Donald Trump would probably have won a second term as POTUS. Not very appealing I know, but I bet Putin would have stayed out of Ukraine if Trump were President - partly because of the old M.A.D. thing.

So in effect, one can argue that all these energy concerns now, can be traced back to China - whether by happenstance or a chemical lab experiment gone wrong. Although I'm one of those people who believes in chaos theory - which this is a possible instance of.
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It seems to me that, although the origin of the covid outbreak can be traced back to China, I can't see a link between that and energy shortages in Europe/UK.
In fact, when the virus was at its' height, travel was massively restricted. People were working from home and so on.
So during those times I would think that less energy was being used.
I fail to see how China can be blamed for the energy problems we are currently experiencing.
 
Grassland Blue said:
It seems to me that, although the origin of the covid outbreak can be traced back to China, I can't see a link between that and energy shortages in Europe/UK.
In fact, when the virus was at its' height, travel was massively restricted. People were working from home and so on.
So during those times I would think that less energy was being used.
I fail to see how China can be blamed for the energy problems we are currently experiencing.
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Well to summarise: energy problems are mainly because of the war in Ukraine*. The war in Ukraine would never have begun if Donald Trump was in a second term as President of the USA. The fact he isn't can be laid at the door of the corona virus pandemic and the pandemic started in China (accidentally by humans or purely via nature - we will never know). So I am making a link between China and the energy crisis via extrapolating these disparate events.

*The west should never have become so dependent on Russia for its energy requirements and I accept that is another story. Similarly, we should not be getting China to build British nuclear power stations or indeed 90% of the hi-tech gadgets we use. I think there needs to be a general roll-back on the whole 'Globalisation' experiment.
 
El_george said:
Well to summarise: energy problems are mainly because of the war in Ukraine*. The war in Ukraine would never have begun if Donald Trump was in a second term as President of the USA. The fact he isn't can be laid at the door of the corona virus pandemic and the pandemic started in China (accidentally by humans or purely via nature - we will never know). So I am making a link between China and the energy crisis via extrapolating these disparate events.

*The west should never have become so dependent on Russia for its energy requirements and I accept that is another story. Similarly, we should not be getting China to build British nuclear power stations or indeed 90% of the hi-tech gadgets we use. I think there needs to be a general roll-back on the whole 'Globalisation' experiment.
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Unfortunately the 'globalisation experiment' is too far advanced to be rolled back.
The main problem now, and it's only my opinion, is ideological. Communism vs capitalism and all points in between.
Will Putin, a desperate man, dare use his nuclear weapons?
Can we in the west destroy them in flight if they are launched?
Who really knows the answer.
All I know is, it's a good job we are still a part of NATO.
 
El_george said:
Well to summarise: energy problems are mainly because of the war in Ukraine*. The war in Ukraine would never have begun if Donald Trump was in a second term as President of the USA. The fact he isn't can be laid at the door of the corona virus pandemic and the pandemic started in China (accidentally by humans or purely via nature - we will never know). So I am making a link between China and the energy crisis via extrapolating these disparate events.

*The west should never have become so dependent on Russia for its energy requirements and I accept that is another story. Similarly, we should not be getting China to build British nuclear power stations or indeed 90% of the hi-tech gadgets we use. I think there needs to be a general roll-back on the whole 'Globalisation' experiment.
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hilts said:
Likes a beer and a fag and stuck it to the status quo. Mucho Gracias Mr Nigel.
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And personally raked in millions from the customers of his limited company called UKIP.

He cynically took deposits from thousands to be considered as potential MP's, long after their candidates had been chosen.

Nigel says Mucho Gracias, suckers.
 
NPBlue said:
And personally raked in millions from the customers of his limited company called UKIP.

He cynically took deposits from thousands to be considered as potential MP's, long after their candidates had been chosen.

Nigel says Mucho Gracias, suckers.
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Blessed are the stupid.
 
A grifter - which is why he and Trump took to each other superficially at least - he has done more damage to the country he professes to love than anyone would imagine - and its all been done without a thought to the consequences at all its just been about him
 
I was just looking at who has been a guest on Question Time the most, and he was fifth on the list. But only because the top people are all ancient. If you look at average appearances per year, he's ahead of everyone. Astonishing for a random MEP who failed to get elected as an MP despite multiple attempts.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I was just looking at who has been a guest on Question Time the most, and he was fifth on the list. But only because the top people are all ancient. If you look at average appearances per year, he's ahead of everyone. Astonishing for a random MEP who failed to get elected as an MP despite multiple attempts.
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Relevant whether one likes it or not. Well done question time.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I was just looking at who has been a guest on Question Time the most, and he was fifth on the list. But only because the top people are all ancient. If you look at average appearances per year, he's ahead of everyone. Astonishing for a random MEP who failed to get elected as an MP despite multiple attempts.
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I was listening to Nihal Arthenyake on 5Live today interviewing David Dimbleby about his new book - he kind of denied this then when the number of appearance was quoted he suddenly remembered and quoted the actual number and then quickly moved the discussion onto the Nick Griffin appearance - sounded to me like he knew the damage he had done overall especially as he is a Remainer himself.
 
hilts said:
Relevant whether one likes it or not. Well done question time.
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And how many appearences did the greens get in that time?

He was made "more" relevant because of question time. Frankenstein's ****.

It’s like inviting the local paedophile to the annual school summer fete as guest of honour.
 
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