Is it Labour's time?

Prestwich_Blue said:
Just seen someone on Twitter say that the Corbynites would rather have a Conservative government than a Labour one under Starmer.

I thought that was somewhat hyperbolic but fear it wasn't.
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Cut their noses off, is that the expression?

I understand that there’s bad blood but to carry it on so long just seems like ‘Slapped arse’ to me.

As they say, nothing as strange as folk.
 
If labour cannot win in 2024 then they truly would be terrible because unlike 2019 there is no populust thubthumping for the tories just 5 more years of a shitshow

Saying that kinnock had better prospects than this in 87 and then lost


But cannot see anything but a labour majority next GE
 
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I struggle to care. They're all in it for themselves and not much would change if we needed up with labour.

That said, I've never seen the country in a bigger mess than it is right now.
 
No
I haven't voted for years and never will again
The country is fucked beyond repair.
The best days are gone
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Just seen someone on Twitter say that the Corbynites would rather have a Conservative government than a Labour one under Starmer.

I thought that was somewhat hyperbolic but fear it wasn't.
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I have a Trotskyist friend who preferred to have a Tory government rather than Corbyn!
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Rascal is to the left of Corbyn-politick, so he very much is part of why the Tories get in as he believes that current Labour are just as bad, yet the rest of us know that they would be infinitely less damaging, without being anywhere near perfect.
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No I do get that about Rascal. He isn't the problem, because his views will never be represented in a govt of any colour, red or blue. His comfortable place is as a perennial outsider, shouting from the distant margins for a (presumably communist) revolution that will never come, as though it's still the 1950's.

The reason we've had a tory govt for 12 years and counting like I said is because labour have abandoned their industrial w/c roots (whats left of them) and stopped pitching for the centre ground. There's not enough industrial w/c left to get them elected, and they've fallen for the identity politics of the m/c Southern chattering classes rather than focussing on the new 'underclasses' working shit jobs on zero hours contracts in call centres & delievring for Amazon. The latter should be their natural constituency, but they've largely abandoned them as they hold 'deplorable' views on identity, race, immigration etc.
 
Cricket Blue said:
No
I haven't voted for years and never will again
The country is fucked beyond repair.
The best days are gone
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hmmm same feelings here, except the best days have gone bit. But I will be voting for Labour just because its actually becoming dangerous with the conservatives in charge, and to shut my wife up :)
 
mickster2 said:
No I do get that about Rascal. He isn't the problem, because his views will never be represented in a govt of any colour, red or blue. His comfortable place is as a perennial outsider, shouting from the distant margins for a (presumably communist) revolution that will never come, as though it's still the 1950's.

The reason we've had a tory govt for 12 years and counting like I said is because labour have abandoned their industrial w/c roots (whats left of them) and stopped pitching for the centre ground. There's not enough industrial w/c left to get them elected, and they've fallen for the identity politics of the m/c Southern chattering classes rather than focussing on the new 'underclasses' working shit jobs on zero hours contracts in call centres & delievring for Amazon. The latter should be their natural constituency, but they've largely abandoned them as they hold 'deplorable' views on identity, race, immigration etc.
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Nah, it’s because radical blue voters always vote blue, whoever their leader is.

Red voters do this much less.
 
HolisticJim said:
I struggle to care. They're all in it for themselves and not much would change if we needed up with labour.

That said, I've never seen the country in a bigger mess than it is right now.
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With a name like yours, not caring seems the last thing you should be doing.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
hmmm same feelings here, except the best days have gone bit. But I will be voting for Labour just because its actually becoming dangerous with the conservatives in charge, and to shut my wife up :)
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Not sure when the last time this country had any good news apart from when Boris resigned but is Truss any much better will Labour be any better?
It's a waste of time voting they don't care about us
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Nah, it’s because radical blue voters always vote blue, whoever their leader is.

Red voters do this much less.
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The red wall constituencies that stayed labour all through the years of Wilson, Callahan, Blair & Brown suggest you're wrong; they were solidly labour through all those different lab leaders, now they've turned blue. I've put forward an explanation as to why this is - what's yours?
 
Cricket Blue said:
Not sure when the last time this country had any good news apart from when Boris resigned but is Truss any much better will Labour be any better?
It's a waste of time voting they don't care about us
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Can Labour be as bad? I hope not. But I am also hoping they want to actually improve the country. Imagine that, politics for the good of the country!
 
mickster2 said:
The red wall constituencies that stayed labour all through the years of Wilson, Callahan, Blair & Brown suggest you're wrong; they were solidly labour through all those different lab leaders, now they've turned blue. I've put forward an explanation as to why this is - what's yours?
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Because they aren’t in the demographic that we were discussing.

More people sway away from Labour than they do the Tories, is my point, which still stands.
 
domalino said:
You can imagine the kind of messaging in labour HQ this morning.

“Look everyone, We’ve got them on the ropes, biggest poll lead in yougov history, big policy announcement from Kier today, so everyone just stay on message and don’t do anything stupid to take the focus off how badly Truss and Kwarteng have misjudged this budget.”

6 hours later …





Fucking classic divided labour move. Start a race row that casts the most unpopular man in the country in a sympathetic light and steal headlines from the leaders massive policy announcement.
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Always the fucking same why are Labour so pathetic when it comes to playing the game.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Just seen someone on Twitter say that the Corbynites would rather have a Conservative government than a Labour one under Starmer.

I thought that was somewhat hyperbolic but fear it wasn't.
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They are the equivalent of climate protesters sitting in the road blocking the traffic - they mean well, but they’re a fu*king nuisance and they do more harm for the cause than good

If you don’t want the Tories in power just vote for Labour ffs!
 
Cricket Blue said:
No
I haven't voted for years and never will again
The country is fucked beyond repair.
The best days are gone
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Perhaps if more people weren’t apathetic to voting Brexit wouldn’t have happened and the Tories wouldn’t have f*cked this country up beyond repair
 
BlueHammer85 said:
They are the equivalent of climate protesters sitting in the road blocking the traffic - they mean well, but they’re a fu*king nuisance and they do more harm for the cause than good

If you don’t want the Tories in power just vote for Labour ffs!
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Agree with this but depends what constituency you are in, could do with quite a few voting Lib Dems in some areas too.
 
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