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coolcity said:
I don't make the rules! It's either a "clear and obvious error" or it isn't, and if it isn't then according to the game's own rules then VAR shouldn't be involved, because they're only involved when a clear and obvious error has occurred, and if the ref CANNOT see it, it's not an error, clear or otherwise.

We see decisions all the time which are not given because the ref hasn't seen it.
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Do you know if Taylor saw the shirt pull in real time?

If not, that’ll be why he changed his mind.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
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What was the xg upto seventy five minutes ? , they created three or four chances when we had to open up the game in the last 15 minutes, stats are not the gospel of the game , its your own f*cking eyes watching the game , we had more possession , shots and corners and by far the better team.
We lost to a dodgy VAR and a full back who had a brain fart ,
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
What was the xg upto seventy five minutes ? , they created three or four chances when we had to open up the game in the last 15 minutes, stats are not the gospel of the game , its your own f*cking eyes watching the game , we had more possession , shots and corners and by far the better team.
We lost to a dodgy VAR and a full back who had a brain fart ,
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I don’t know mate. I’d assume the Salah one on one that Ederson saved probably put them ahead of us, but that’s only a guess.

We we’re the more controlled team, but they had 5-6 dangerous counter attacks, which is why the XG is what it was.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
None of the other “fouls” that he didn’t blow for were in the lead up to a goal. That’s why there is an “inconsistency“.

He let go most of what he thought might have been a foul, which was good for the game.

If you pull the shirt of an opponent in this day and age, it’ll be scrutinised and penalised in the build up to a goal.
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How can it be good to let the game after "what he thought might be a foul"? if it's going to end with a resulting goal being disallowed? The ref might as well just give the foul. There's no point playing on.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I don’t hugely disagree with this, but what if the ref is 50/50 or 55/45 on a foul? Does he blow or not blow and look at the monitor afterwards?

It’s how offsides are now officiated, so why not fouls too?
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Offsides are almost black & white (barring the odd curvy line at anfield) the number of contentious decisions has been reduced dramatically this season, handballs leading up to a goal & in the penalty box has been a constant grey area, with var ruling/over-ruling most of these decisions, and now you want to take even more decisions away from refs, we’re heading towards an NFL type scenario here, I’ll tell you what the ref needs to do, and that’s grow a pair, say it how ‘he’ sees it and do the job he is paid to do, then have enough about him to stand firm in his decision making & referee with complete consistency.
 
coolcity said:
How can it be good to let the game after "what he thought might be a foul"? if it's going to end with a resulting goal being disallowed? The ref might as well just give the foul. There's no point playing on.
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It happens in every game. Every one.

If a ref isn’t 100% convinced its a penalty, they don’t give it, especially now we have VAR.

It’s far better to not blow for a foul every 30 seconds, isn’t it?
 
Jesus H Gabz said:
Offsides are almost black & white (barring the odd curvy line at anfield) the number of contentious decisions has been reduced dramatically this season, handballs leading up to a goal & in the penalty box has been a constant grey area, with var ruling/over-ruling most of these decisions, and now you want to take even more decisions away from refs, we’re heading towards an NFL type scenario here, I’ll tell you what the ref needs to do, and that’s grow a pair, say it how ‘he’ sees it and do the job he is paid to do, then have enough about him to stand firm in his decision making & referee with complete consistency.
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What you are asking for isn’t possible with human input.

Taylor is one of the few refs to actually have stayed with a decision he was sent to VAR to look at this season.
 
I was wary after the 7-1 against Rangers that it would give them and in particular hat trick man Salah confidence.Like him or not, he is world class.
Hoped our current form and introduction of a big man up front for long balls if needed, would give us too much for them but seems Klopp’s midfield press when they are on it , is too much for us.I hoped after this long playing them that the great man(Pep…which he is by the way) would have its measure by now, but it seems we always change our game and they play the same way and usually we lose.
Dont know the answer but as 95% of city fans would admit, if they were being honest, they are the team I most want to avoid in Champs League , which shames me and irritates me to say.
I think it’s just that we don’t sit back and counter like other teams do against Liverpool and that plays into there hands.
Can only hope we can smash them at home, but not confident.
 
I've learnt how to emotionally detach my self from this anfield fixture, I am pissed off and upset but i just accept that we won't be coming away with much there. I just hope we don't draw them in any of the other competitions there now.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Do you know if Taylor saw the shirt pull in real time?

If not, that’ll be why he changed his mind.
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But we don't know, so it's irrelevant. The point is IF he did, he should have blown for the foul, and if he didn't because he couldn't see it then it wasn't a clear and obvious error so VAR shouldn't have been involved.
 
coolcity said:
But we don't know, so it's irrelevant. The point is IF he did, he should have blown for the foul, and if he didn't because he couldn't see it then it wasn't a clear and obvious error so VAR shouldn't have been involved.
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We’re going round in circles. We disagree. No biggie.

Night.
 
butlerkb said:
I was wary after the 7-1 against Rangers that it would give them and in particular hat trick man Salah confidence.Like him or not, he is world class.
Hoped our current form and introduction of a big man up front for long balls if needed, would give us too much for them but seems Klopp’s midfield press when they are on it , is too much for us.I hoped after this long playing them that the great man(Pep…which he is by the way) would have its measure by now, but it seems we always change our game and they play the same way and usually we lose.
Dont know the answer but as 95% of city fans would admit, if they were being honest, they are the team I most want to avoid in Champs League , which shames me and irritates me to say.
I think it’s just that we don’t sit back and counter like other teams do against Liverpool and that plays into there hands.
Can only hope we can smash them at home, but not confident.
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Salah, won’t play like that much as Nunes will be through the middle, which negates Salah.. they have to chose.. basically Nunes will be seen as a very expensive mistake in 18 months time imo.
 
I re-watched the 2nd half, we were excellent until the goal and were just missing the last pass. Our left side particularly, with Foden, Gundo and Bernardo (best of all) were really good. The right side was meh, with Kev really not influential and Cancelo not effective. I thought, either Kev or Haaland could be subbed for Grealish or Mahrez. We were pushing to the point of breaching their defence, but after we conceded we lost impetus and discipline and we were lucky we didn't conceded another one or two.
 
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