The other thing we haven’t discussed is that none of these happened in the Premier League.There was another when Correa was sent off in the 92nd minute of the second leg of Bayern v Sevilla in April 2018 in the CL. There is some debate whether that was an advantage played or the incident was missed by the referee. But as the foul was clear and on the player with the ball, the referee cannot have missed it. I can't find a clip of the full incident.
There will be other examples in video archives and plenty more not recorded by TV cameras.
It's true, these situations are rare. But I speak as a former referee in saying that every referee knows to play an advantage if possible, even when a sending off is necessary. And I also believe most referees even down in junior football, will deal with officials when the ball is out of play.
To argue that Taylor was correct in this situation is wrong, especially when the LOTG explicitly provides for advantage to be played when a red card is appropriate, and when there is clear precedence presented to you. I challenge you to show me one other incident when a referee stopped play to deal with a team official when an advantage should or could have been played.
One isn’t a manager, but the two Newcastle players fighting with themselves. The game definitely stopped then.Can you provide examples where the referee stopped play during a clear advantaged attack to send off a manager (especially the manager of the defending team)?
The LOTG are the same in all leagues and countries throughout the world. There is no scope for alternative interpretations to the laws. IFAB and individual associations can advise on application of the laws.The other thing we haven’t discussed is that none of these happened in the Premier League.
There’s already been debate about how CL games are refereed differently in Europe than in the Premier League.
I’m not that clued up on Scottish football. I don’t think many people have watched it since the turn of the century after it turned into a nicher sport than Kabaddi.
Can you provide examples where the referee stopped play during a clear advantaged attack to send off a manager (especially the manager of the defending team)?
Haha. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are being contrary for the sake of it now.One isn’t a manager, but the two Newcastle players fighting with themselves. The game definitely stopped then.
And so we return to the place in the debate where we can see theLITG are the same everywhere, yet they have always been applied differently.The LOTG are the same in all leagues and countries throughout the world. There is no scope for alternative interpretations to the laws. IFAB and individual associations can advise on application of the laws.
This is a debate on Taylor's decision to stop the game in order to sanction a club official. The LOTG allow for the game to continue even when there has been violent conduct or serious foul play on the pitch, so there is a clear emphasis on not interrupting games to administer red cards. Limited video evidence supports this.
So if referees are instructed by the LOTG to play advantage before administering a red card for on-field physical offences, it would be inconsistent of them to advise that a play should stop in order to administer a red card to a team official for a mere verbal offence.
The logical conclusion supported by all available evidence is that Taylor made a mistake. It's probably in everybody's best interests that we stop debating the matter now, unless of course you are able to find other examples that support Taylor's decision.
Yes, they are both off the ball violent conduct red cards. One physical, one verbal.Haha. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are being contrary for the sake of it now.
You seriously think two players actually having a fight on the pitch during play is comparable to Klopp giving verbal abuse from his technical area?
I suggest you study the LOTG more closely. Something I have used to inform my contributions to the debate. You won't find anything there about violent verbal abuse.Yes, they are both off the ball violent conduct red cards. One physical, one verbal.
I don’t need to. Try dissent.I suggest you study the LOTG more closely. Something I have used to inform my contributions to the debate. You won't find anything there about violent verbal abuse.
This is at least one more example than you have provided of a referee stopping a game to administer a red card to a team official.And so we return to the place in the debate where we can see theLITG are the same everywhere, yet they have always been applied differently.
There isn’t one premier league example you can find, having scoured the depths of the internet to find a 7 year old Scottish league video.
Almost as bad as talking to the spurs Captain about that fucking dirty fullback last season.Only just noticed back on the highlights he stops the game with us on the attack and Liverpool scrambling back to send off Klopp.
Bizarre.
It’s the same number now Klopp got sent off on Sunday…This is at least one more example than you have provided of a referee stopping a game to administer a red card to a team official.
Can you provide examples where the referee stopped play during a clear advantaged attack to send off a manager (especially the manager of the defending team)?
One isn’t a manager, but the two Newcastle players fighting with themselves. The game definitely stopped then.
Haha. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but I think you are being contrary for the sake of it now.
You seriously think two players actually having a fight on the pitch during play is comparable to Klopp giving verbal abuse from his technical area?
Yes, they are both off the ball violent conduct red cards. One physical, one verbal.
I suggest you study the LOTG more closely. Something I have used to inform my contributions to the debate. You won't find anything there about violent verbal abuse.
I don’t need to. Try dissent.
Playing to the crowd, plain and simple. The fuckin clueless cowardTaylor was a **** yesterday who let them kick fuck out of us, again. The idea that he wasn’t in league with the twat on VAR is laughable.
he let a lot go safe in the knowledge only City would get pulled up.
usually a lesser experienced ref will not pull up a senior ref unless it’s a really obvious mistake, England or whatever the **** is called must have seen loads going unpunished, and knew what the deal was. BUT surprise surprise the bastard jumped straight in knowing he had single handedly scratched out our goal.
I can’t be arsed mate. You knock yourself out knowing you are right, whilst it means the square root of fuck all.Ok. I'm including the wider discussion thread here in order to provide context.
If there is dissent from a team official he should be given a caution. Dissent isn't violent verbal abuse, as you have implied.
A red card can be issued to an official for using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or actions.
I'm still to hear any justification from the LOTG or from previous situations where a referee has stopped a game to issue a red card to a team official for using offensive or insulting or abusive language. I'm discounting the Bowyer v Dyer fight for obvious reasons.
I know you would like to have the last word on this matter, so I'll say now. I won't bother to respond to your reply to this, unless of course you can find a substantial example to back up your rather feeble attempt to justify this clearly seeing decision.
To collect his trophyNot sure if I'm correct, but thought that once a red card had been issued, you should not enter the field of play again, even after the final whistle. Why was klippety on the pitch after the game
Oooh, AHT, I am convinced as I've never before been 'convinced' that Erling Vikingen would have buried that chance and by the ferocity in the shot have carried Allisson through the net and half way up the terracing.It’s the same number now Klopp got sent off on Sunday…
Literally nobody outside of our forum/social media is making the smallest issue out of this.
It seems a way to cope with our defeat better as we were “cheated” out of a potential attack.
Fair enough, if it helps, it’s fine to think that.Oooh, AHT, I am convinced as I've never before been 'convinced' that Erling Vikingen would have buried that chance and by the ferocity in the shot have carried Allisson through the net and half way up the terracing.
You've had to go back to 2005 to find an incident which bore no resemblance to the incident that happened on Sunday just to make a point?One isn’t a manager, but the two Newcastle players fighting with themselves. The game definitely stopped then.
Hey, yer've nicked that line from the Bridge of Spies script!Fair enough, if it helps, it’s fine to think that.
At least it was from our league, unlike the other examples cited.You've had to go back to 2005 to find an incident which bore no resemblance to the incident that happened on Sunday just to make a point?