Borussia Dortmund (A) - Tue 25th Oct, 20:00 | Pre-Match Thread

[chesterbells]

Best and worst on show in one game.


An assist and a great block with the leg... a few fumbles, questionable distribution and beaten nearpost, reminded me of David James

David James, those were the days.

 

[richards30]

ederson
stones
akanji
dias
cancelo
rodri
de bruyne
bernardo
foden
grealish
haaland

 

[LongsightM13]

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[Gremlin]

The result in Copenhagen means if we lose this then finishing top is very difficult.

Not that difficult - our goal difference is +5 more than Dortmund so unless they really turn us over big time, realistically we only need to match their result in the final game to go through top even if we lose tomorrow.

 

[2infinity&beyond]

Just a feeling Pep will want to rest him got a tougher game Saturday 12:30 we need to win

I think he will be a sub. No need to start him having played 90minutes on Saturday. We cannot look to rely on him for every match.

 

[bernard o'silver]

Dortmund sharpened up their shooting boots with a 5-0 win at the weekend, and our defence not filling me with confidence recently.

Understand what you are saying but the team they beat at weekend -Stuttgart- are third bottom in the Bundesliga P 11 W1 D5 L5 , so it's hard to judge if Dortmund were good or they were poor.

 

[cityboy2602]

Not that difficult - our goal difference is +5 more than Dortmund so unless they really turn us over big time, realistically we only need to match their result in the final game to go through top even if we lose tomorrow.

If we are equal on points with them at the end of the group it may not matter what our goal difference is. Who comes top is decided by head to head. So, if they beat us 2-0 and then we both win our last game, we finish second (even if we tank Seville 10-0). Goal difference will only come into play if they beat us 2-1

 

[Manchester33]

Not that difficult - our goal difference is +5 more than Dortmund so unless they really turn us over big time, realistically we only need to match their result in the final game to go through top even if we lose tomorrow.

The only way goal difference comes into it is if we lose 2-1 tomorrow.

If they beat us 1-0 or by 2 or more goals, and we both finish on the same points, they top the group.

They decide the group based on:

1 - points
2 - head to head (including away goals rule)
3 - GD

 

[waspish]

Doesn’t matter finishing 1st or 2nd to me

 

[Manchester33]

Doesn’t matter finishing 1st or 2nd to me

It's a better spectacle if we play a better team in the Ro16, but I want to win the competition, so I'd like the easiest possible route to the final.

 

[aguero93:20]

Surprised away goals are still used in group standings, but not in the knockout phase.

Can't exactly have extra time.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Can't exactly have extra time.

They don’t count with or without extra time?

 

[aguero93:20]

They don’t count with or without extra time?

I'm saying in the groups, if two teams finish dead level you can't exactly have extra time after matchday 6.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I'm saying in the groups, if two teams finish dead level you can't exactly have extra time after matchday 6.

No and if you did, there’s no guarantee it would affect the outcome.

There are loads of other variables that could be used, I’m just surprised that away goals as still one of them having been scrapped elsewhere.

 

[aguero93:20]

No and if you did, there’s no guarantee it would affect the outcome.

There are loads of other variables that could be used, I’m just surprised that away goals as still one of them having been scrapped elsewhere.

What else can you use though if H2H and goal difference are level?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

What else can you use though if H2H and goal difference are level?

I guess loads of things. Corners, shots on target, fewer cards, possession, sexiest manager etc.

 

[aguero93:20]

I guess loads of things. Corners, shots on target, fewer cards, possession, sexiest manager etc.

Away goals is easiest. Otherwise fuck it flip a coin.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Away goals is easiest. Otherwise fuck it flip a coin.

I’m old school. Points then goal difference then goals scored for me. It’s worked for over a hundred years.

 

[aguero93:20]

I’m old school. Points then goal difference then goals scored for me. It’s worked for over a hundred years.

They're all used though, what happens if they're level? Serie A and La Liga have been using H2H including away goals for a similar period and it's worked perfectly as well.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They're all used though, what happens if they're level? Serie A and La Liga have been using H2H including away goals for a similar period and it's worked perfectly as well.

I think it makes goal difference irrelevant, so if two teams are on the same points, they both know who is ahead on the head to head record, meaning they don’t have to go and score as many goals as they can to beat their rival on goal difference.

Liverpool’s collapse at Crystanbul wouldn't have happened if it were on head to head results. They’d have won 3-0 as they wouldn’t have pushed for more goals.