Terrorist attack on asylum centre

[Ribble73]

The people coming here are better informed than the race hating rabble throwing petrol bombs who just get their news from the Mail. As of Jan 2020 they were well aware once they get here we cannot send them back to France ( our choice that was ) - they also know that Rwanda expect to take 200 a year for their £150m................100k coming here and 200 deported - they are odds they will take.

You see you fall for the BIG IDEA of Rwanda because you are told its a bold move by the Govt and the press. People outside - including asylum seekers can see what a hollow threat that is - thats why the Govt moves on a ramps up the rhetoric every day - you cannot be allowed to absorb and process the truth or you may ask awkward questions.

This issue was raised regularly since the referendum - it was always denied it was always part of Project Fear - its odd how every warning raised has turned out to be a truth eh? Its almost like some people could understand the facts.

Agree 200% -the whole fuss over the Rwanda Plan was a diversion tactic by a Government that was easing Immigration Rules by other means at the same time to far greater effect

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Why do we argue between ourselves on this subject when we know that the Tory party are the ones that have brought this immigration situation on us all.

12 years of austerity, camouflaged by multiple distraction stories, all while they syphon off the national treasures into making the rich even richer and the poor into devastating poverty.

Let‘s face it, if they treat us like shit off their shoe, do you really think they give a fuck about those migrants who are basically being used as a pawn to keep Alf Garnett off the scent?

 

[Grassland Blue]

I was born and bred in an English Street from people who have fought and died for King and Country and all that (Accrington Pals/Somme etc),wentto School in at English School -and it was exactly that

The current Zeitgeist is you are not allowed to question these people too closely (as in anything that may expose them for the frauds the vast majority of these people are)

So we are going to support these people for the rest of our lives through Taxes whether they pay into the System or not (true in the vast majority of cases) -because these people are staying and are in the Queue for Hospital Appointments, Schools, Housing etc -and will frequently be given priority.

The Welfare system you are paying for will not be there when you need it -that’s tthe less the reality of all this Virtue Signalling by the “Elites”

My comment was ever so slightly tongue in cheek.
The reality is this.
Wealth is resources divided by population. The more people we have in the UK the less there is for everyone to share. The more strain there is on public services and infrastructure too.
We, as a nation, are in a right predicament and it could well be the case that some of the uninhabited islands off the mainland are re- populated.

 

[threespires]

Been posted on here many times but if it was on every bus stop and billboard in the country maybe the message would eventually get through.

 

[Ribble73]

My comment was ever so slightly tongue in cheek.
The reality is this.
Wealth is resources divided by population. The more people we have in the UK the less there is for everyone to share. The more strain there is on public services and infrastructure too.
We, as a nation, are in a right predicament and it could well be the case that some of the uninhabited islands off the mainland are re- populated.

The reality is we’ve seen nothing yet -the wave of Africans fleeing the population explosion in Africa trying their hand at getting here by the 100,000s hasn’t even started yet but our incompetence has shown them the way. Our Civilisation is about to be swamped not by conquest but by numbers and its the 11th hour for us English/ European people.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

My comment was ever so slightly tongue in cheek.
The reality is this.
Wealth is resources divided by population. The more people we have in the UK the less there is for everyone to share. The more strain there is on public services and infrastructure too.
We, as a nation, are in a right predicament and it could well be the case that some of the uninhabited islands off the mainland are re- populated.

Are you saying that those million and billionaires are sharing their wealth, not hiding it elsewhere, or that they need to share it with the actual workers who bring them that wealth?

However, what I think you are saying is that we have a finite resource that cannot handle what we have now. So, the question is, why is that if we have a multitude of billionaires/millionaires, or huge corporations siphoning money elsewhere, who could build those 40 hospitals, give the workers a pay rise, and level up the poorest without noticing a change in their bank balance as it would be covered by the markets, why don’t we make it so?

The answer, to keep the workers down. Nothing more.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The reality is we’ve seen nothing yet -the wave of Africans fleeing the population explosion in Africa trying their hand at getting here by the 100,000s hasn’t even started yet but our incompetence has shown them the way. Our Civilisation is about to be swamped not by conquest but by numbers and its the 11th hour for us English/ European people.

There was a drama - late 80's I think - called Exodus which charted this - on the back of drought in Ethiopia and the Horn the whole of Africa was on the move to Europe

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Been posted on here many times but if it was on every bus stop and billboard in the country maybe the message would eventually get through.

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That picture really does paint a thousand words and explains how those in power manipulate the country.

A right-wing government, with a right-wing media leading them, leads to people detesting those who have had real struggles.

#distractionkillscompassion

 

[bluethrunthru]

If this were done by a brown may say hurling petrol bombs at an HMP then driving off and killing himself that would be a terrorist suicide bomber. In this case its not - wonder what the difference is? Sir Roger Gale says it was someone suffering "severe mental health issues" - I can't say I believe he would have been informed of the mental health of a man who lived over a hundred miles away from his constituency. Furthermore it seems to have been hardly reported on tomorrows front pages. Is there an awkward truth behind all this?

Dover migrant centre: Police search house over fire attack

The suspect, who was later found dead, is a 66-year-old from the High Wycombe area, police said.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

If this were done by a brown may say hurling petrol bombs at an HMP then driving off and killing himself that would be a terrorist suicide bomber. In this case its not - wonder what the difference is? Sir Roger Gale says it was someone suffering "severe mental health issues" - I can't say I believe he would have been informed of the mental health of a man who lived over a hundred miles away from his constituency. Furthermore it seems to have been hardly reported on tomorrows front pages. Is there an awkward truth behind all this?

Dover migrant centre: Police search house over fire attack

The suspect, who was later found dead, is a 66-year-old from the High Wycombe area, police said.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not to forget the act of petrol bombing somebody, it sounds crazy to me that somebody would kill themselves over such an act.

 

[urban genie]

If this were done by a brown may say hurling petrol bombs at an HMP then driving off and killing himself that would be a terrorist suicide bomber. In this case its not - wonder what the difference is? Sir Roger Gale says it was someone suffering "severe mental health issues" - I can't say I believe he would have been informed of the mental health of a man who lived over a hundred miles away from his constituency. Furthermore it seems to have been hardly reported on tomorrows front pages. Is there an awkward truth behind all this?

Dover migrant centre: Police search house over fire attack

The suspect, who was later found dead, is a 66-year-old from the High Wycombe area, police said.

www.bbc.co.uk

You would expect it comes under terrorism as defined by the law, as it is an attack on a form of infrastructure, if Kent police are deciding not to treat it as such they are failing to uphold the law correctly and doing sp encourages copycat attacks.


right wing extremism is the second highest number of police investigations and arrest made in this country under terrorism laws, but unless it's a high profile event seems to get little or no coverage.

 

[BobKowalski]

I know what that is but do you think that’s why more are choosing to come here?

If that was so they’d surely not want to now the Rwanda policy was introduced?

Setting up a processing centre in Calais with British officials working with the French to vet and expedite applications should be workable and would cut down on channel crossings.

But this would be a workable solution and the Govt doesn't want workable solutions, it just wants no one turning up here so they make it as difficult as
possible which is why we are here.

Rwanda isn’t a deterrent. For one, the scheme cannot take that many people and the chances are you will end up not going even if picked. Previously, we would send them back to France, but now we can’t do that, and given that legally we have a duty of care and to process their claims, they will keep pitching up in ever increasing numbers.

There isn’t a really a solution to this issue, at least not one that is acceptable to the Govt. So, other than to wish everyone crossing a safe journey I guess we are stuck with the frothing outrage and likely increased terrorist attacks on asylum seekers and migrants. All though chances are they will probably blow up the wrong hotel and wipe out a party on a Jolly Boys outing to Margate.

 

[waspish]

Perhaps if there were more legal/safe ways for people to claim asylum then there would be fewer illegal channel crossings?

As well as processing them more quickly but it would not stop the crossings by dingy! Also how it’s reported by the main media is why we have this hate by many in this country! We need young healthy people to come to this county and should be welcome with open arms if they willing to get there heads down and work pay taxes!

There is a belief in 50 years time young healthy men and woman will be needed in all western countries because of an aging population and people not having as many children..

 

[Octavian]

Criminal gangs have never been stopped via law enforcement.

You stop criminal gangs by destroying demand.

70% of people crossing the channel get granted asylum. The Conservative government is propping up organised crime gangs by forcing legitimate refugees to use them.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Do people not read threads on this website before commenting?

 

[Octavian]

well googled - you even used juxtaposed

I already knew that, I just googled the term juxtaposed as I didn’t know what it was called.

You claimed it wasn’t the case.

What I find funny is you’re liking posts from other people who are suggesting we can set up a processing centre in France, after telling me we couldn’t.

Either you’re a complete idiot or a troll.

I’m going with the former.

 

[Octavian]

Setting up a processing centre in Calais with British officials working with the French to vet and expedite applications should be workable and would cut down on channel crossings.

Exactly what I’ve suggested.

There’s a lot of people not reading properly.

 

[give it to gordon]

If this were done by a brown may say hurling petrol bombs at an HMP then driving off and killing himself that would be a terrorist suicide bomber. In this case its not - wonder what the difference is? Sir Roger Gale says it was someone suffering "severe mental health issues" - I can't say I believe he would have been informed of the mental health of a man who lived over a hundred miles away from his constituency. Furthermore it seems to have been hardly reported on tomorrows front pages. Is there an awkward truth behind all this?

Dover migrant centre: Police search house over fire attack

The suspect, who was later found dead, is a 66-year-old from the High Wycombe area, police said.

www.bbc.co.uk

As a local I wouldnt believe a single word both our MP's say. Gale and his mate want manston to be an airport again. They support the company run by a struck off solicitor who has failed 10 times before to open other airports. Manston its self has gone bust 4 times.

Slightly of topic I know .

It does seem odd as to how little is being reported Nationally. I didnt think it was being called a terrorist attack ?

 

[BobKowalski]

And that’s exactly what I’m saying.

Do people not read threads on this website before commenting?

I know. The La Touquet agreement with France effectively puts the UK border in France, so processing applications there makes sense and those that are successful can come to the UK safely.

At the some point the Govt will have to do this, because the current situation of around 30,000 people pitching up on our beaches risking life and limb - not to mention the strain this puts in the RNLI and others who have to rescue those in trouble - is absurd.

Our current policy is to employ increasingly hysterical rhetoric and demand ‘something be done’ but not, it seems, the one thing that would actually work. Do we still have a Commander in charge of the Channel? Seem to recall Patel getting very excited when she appointed him. Probably keeping his head down, or he is striding up and down our beaches armed with a determined look.

 

[Octavian]

I know. The La Touquet agreement with France effectively puts the UK border in France, so processing applications there makes sense and those that are successful can come to the UK safely.

At the some point the Govt will have to do this, because the current situation of around 30,000 people pitching up on our beaches risking life and limb - not to mention the strain this puts in the RNLI and others who have to rescue those in trouble - is absurd.

Our current policy is to employ increasingly hysterical rhetoric and demand ‘something be done’ but not, it seems, the one thing that would actually work. Do we still have a Commander in charge of the Channel? Seem to recall Patel getting very excited when she appointed him. Probably keeping his head down, or he is striding up and down our beaches armed with a determined look.

Completely agree

 

[waspish]

Would putting these processing places in grand stop the dingy’s? Me personally I think very unlikely! You get on a dingy don’t phone the life boats get to our beaches then run off. That’s what some reports have said now! You got to be seen to see the People in dingys going straight back to France if we do put these processing places in France or it be a waste of time